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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 17, 2009 15:08:20 GMT
The only explanation I've seen for Leela not being included is that Five was trying to hide the identity of the only companion he had left on Gallifrey, because if the Dalek got their plungers on her their hostile take-over would be that much easier. And this should have been COMPLETELY obvious to the audience, because of... particles. and stuff. No idea if that's true or not, but given how much sense the rest of that episode made, I've buy it... Ok, seriously, what episode are you talking about that both SJ and Leela didn't appear in? I mean she was in Four's flashbacks when he regenerated into Five.
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Post by lostspook on Sept 17, 2009 17:55:38 GMT
I'm as incapable of writing Mrs. Tyler lines or even Nine lines, probably, as I would be of writing in Slovakian. I didn't even know what part of Britain her accent is from, before this thread. Too bad. "Most 'round here believe you're a demon in the sack Doctor, and when most people believe, that make it true!" It doesn't exactly write itself! Ohhh! Do you know, I thought you meant jackie Tyler. Shame on me, after all that Image of the Fendahl obsession. Nine and Mrs Martha Tyler? LOL!!! (And I'm not sure, but I guessed from what we get onscreen that Fetch Priory is somewhere in Wiltshire, towards the Somerset or Gloucestershire borders, maybe though). I might recover from that idea eventually... ;D I'm still reading it, though! Priceless!
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Post by jjpor on Sept 17, 2009 21:54:45 GMT
Sorry, Abby; we're talking about the scene in Resurrection of the Daleks where Five is having his mind probed by the Daleks (No, not the Mind Probe?!?!), and has a bit of a flashback montage of former companions, with the noticeable exception of Leela. Or, at least that's what I'm burbling about - I can't speak for our other esteemed members! The only explanation I've seen for Leela not being included is that Five was trying to hide the identity of the only companion he had left on Gallifrey, because if the Dalek got their plungers on her their hostile take-over would be that much easier. And this should have been COMPLETELY obvious to the audience, because of... particles. Hmmm... *rubs chin thoughtfully* Makes sense! ;D I like Magnus's theory as well, actually; of course, while it is in my nature to invent conspiracy theories about things like this, lostspook is probably nearest to the mark in saying it was just a slip-up. A very noticeable slip-up, however *joins Magnus in shaking fist at screen*. Although not the worst thing about Resurrection of the Daleks! ;D And I was hoping Magnus _was_ talking about Nine and Mrs Tyler from Fendahl, because...well, because.
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Post by magnusgreel on Sept 18, 2009 7:53:48 GMT
I'm as incapable of writing Mrs. Tyler lines or even Nine lines, probably, as I would be of writing in Slovakian. I didn't even know what part of Britain her accent is from, before this thread. Too bad. "Most 'round here believe you're a demon in the sack Doctor, and when most people believe, that make it true!" It doesn't exactly write itself! Ohhh! Do you know, I thought you meant jackie Tyler. Shame on me, after all that Image of the Fendahl obsession. Nine and Mrs Martha Tyler? LOL!!! (And I'm not sure, but I guessed from what we get onscreen that Fetch Priory is somewhere in Wiltshire, towards the Somerset or Gloucestershire borders, maybe though). I might recover from that idea eventually... ;D I'm still reading it, though! Priceless! Well, Jackie never occured to me, but who wouldn't think that, combined with Nine? I Googled, and oh, all of that area is southeast of Wales. My mental map hasn't progressed much since childhood: I could draw a faily good outline of Britain with Scotland and Wales and Cornwall, and London and Liverpool and York, but then a lot of empty space. Oh and Kent and Norfolk and Suffolk. I want credit for all that since I'm over on another continent, already. Does Mrs T have the same accent as Scringe Stone Man? I'm thinking that people probably say "oo-er". I'm going to Google an accent map, though that would be far too useful so I don't expect to find it. The area in question seems to contain Minehead, which once annexed Poland.
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Post by lostspook on Sept 20, 2009 20:50:01 GMT
Well, Jackie never occured to me, but who wouldn't think that, combined with Nine? I Googled, and oh, all of that area is southeast of Wales. My mental map hasn't progressed much since childhood: I could draw a faily good outline of Britain with Scotland and Wales and Cornwall, and London and Liverpool and York, but then a lot of empty space. Oh and Kent and Norfolk and Suffolk. I want credit for all that since I'm over on another continent, already. Does Mrs T have the same accent as Scringe Stone Man? I'm thinking that people probably say "oo-er". I'm going to Google an accent map, though that would be far too useful so I don't expect to find it. The area in question seems to contain Minehead, which once annexed Poland. I give you all the credit you want. I have some vague notion of US geopgraphy, but vague is the word! And I can't remember why I fixed on it being Wiltshire, but there was a reason somewhere. But she has genuine West Country speech patterns, unlike the dodgy Somerset accents all the other local yokels try (tramps, scringe stone man etc etc) West Country is that bit below Wales that ends up being Cornwall. It's Oo-arrr. Repeat after me: "Oi carn't read and oi carn't write But oi comes from zummerzet And oi can drive a tractorrrrrr!" Or just go listen to the Worzels "I got a brand new combine harvester..." Or maybe not - that might scar you for life... ("La, la, "Oi am the ciderrr drinkerrr, oi drinks it all of the time...") I'm from Somerset, you see. ;D Devonshire accents are even more fun. ("The maid sat in baid reading a book!" You say book as 'buke' in that line. And "Hers running a maid down in Plymouth!" means "He's got a girlfriend in Plymouth." And then probably go on about clotted cream. Cornwall is similar, but with more pixies.) Sorry, I'm homesick - I live in the North East (above York and below Newcastle). Sometimes I get all "Oh, the West Country, land of the Worzels and King Alfred and Camelot!" Mrs Tyler is unique in actually having a convincing accent of this sort. Most people seem to feel a bit of oo-arring here and there is sufficient.
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Post by magnusgreel on Sept 21, 2009 2:48:42 GMT
Vvspook---I can't believe I'm miserable and scared tonight about incomprensible new-ish medical phenomena happening to me, but also learning something and having some fun. I had a lot of fun trying to say out loud: "Oi carn't read and oi carn't write But oi comes from zummerzet And oi can drive a tractorrrrrr!"... and LOLed at myself. None of this is at your expense in any way at all, I hope you know.
I've always wanted to do voices and accents. I somehow always thought of myself as someone who ought to be able to do that. Maybe someday.
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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 22, 2009 14:02:24 GMT
I have a swap episode question for all of you. As many of you know I like the character of Jenny (I see great potential for her once she is more developed), but I know many of you don't like her and/or don't like the episode (I'll agree the episode is definitely no where near as good as some of them), so I ask three questions... 1)If you could place any of the other Doctors in the episode, which one would it be, and which companions would he have? 2)Then, if it the events and plot stayed the same, what would the generated daughter/son be like, look like, etc? 3)And, if you could rewrite the episode more freely for this Doctor (including Ten here), what might happen? Would it be someone other than the Doctor who has a generated offspring? Would the events change? Would you change any of the other characters? Please tell me what it would be like for you.
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Post by Stripes on Sept 22, 2009 17:35:15 GMT
3)And, if you could rewrite the episode more freely for this Doctor (including Ten here), what might happen? Would it be someone other than the Doctor who has a generated offspring? Would the events change? Would you change any of the other characters? Please tell me what it would be like for you. I would have a full grown human clone be created within two secounds from some ones hand. It wasn't beliverable, even for Doctor Who. I would have the daugther have a full personailty the mometn she came out of that odd thing. Most of all, I wouldn't have had her running around, yelling ' MY DADDY IS A TIME LORD, I AM A TIME LORD, TIME LORDS ARE AWSOME, WHICH MAKES ME AWSOME!!!!111!!1oneone!"
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Post by johne on Sept 22, 2009 18:46:36 GMT
I have a swap episode question for all of you. As many of you know I like the character of Jenny (I see great potential for her once she is more developed), but I know many of you don't like her and/or don't like the episode (I'll agree the episode is definitely no where near as good as some of them), so I ask three questions... 1)If you could place any of the other Doctors in the episode, which one would it be, and which companions would he have? Two/Jamie/Zoë is a favourite TARDIS team of mine, and I was mentally recasting it for them pretty much as it was broadcast. That episode could be done on a 1960s budget, with hardly any changes to the overall plot. (Jamie does Martha's part, Zoë replaces Donna). Male or blonde or both, to contrast with the TARDIS team who are all brunet(te)s. But since the Doctor only got his two hearts in Spearhead, and before then it was never quite sure whether he was an alien or a future human, the whole 'two hearts' test wouldn't work. I think, if it was the Second Doctor, you wouldn't get the 'I never would' speech at the end, because he's not as much of a hypocrite as the Tenth. And there wouldn't be any need to drown the Hath, because Jamie wouldn't be going through the same character arc as Martha.
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Post by lostspook on Sept 23, 2009 20:25:33 GMT
Vvspook---I can't believe I'm miserable and scared tonight about incomprensible new-ish medical phenomena happening to me, but also learning something and having some fun. I had a lot of fun trying to say out loud: "Oi carn't read and oi carn't write But oi comes from zummerzet And oi can drive a tractorrrrrr!"... and LOLed at myself. None of this is at your expense in any way at all, I hope you know. OH, well, I'm glad a little bit of nonsense could help just a teensy bit. Sadly, I can't do the accent properly myself, which is so unfair, having spent nearly 22 years there.
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Post by johne on Nov 18, 2009 23:22:23 GMT
Or just go listen to the Worzels "I got a brand new combine harvester..." Or maybe not - that might scar you for life... ("La, la, "Oi am the ciderrr drinkerrr, oi drinks it all of the time...") Apropos of nothing much, Lawrence Miles recently made an interesting suggestion in his blog: I took a quick look on youtube but it doesn't seem as if anyone has made the appropriate juxtaposition.
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Post by lostspook on Nov 19, 2009 9:19:24 GMT
I had to go reread this whole thread (that was amusing) to find out why on earth I was talking about the Worzels. But the moment anyone does a fanvid to one of their songs, I need to know, okay? :lol: And since I read the About Time books (which are great, despite the density and typos), I have discovered that Lawrence Miles doesn't really like anything that happened after Three left and thinks Image of the Fendahl is a mere poor cousin to The Daemons. Pfft. But the wurzels idea is v v funny. ;D
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Post by johne on Nov 19, 2009 12:05:22 GMT
But the moment anyone does a fanvid to one of their songs, I need to know, okay? :lol: Well, there's this.
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Post by lostspook on Nov 19, 2009 13:42:39 GMT
But the moment anyone does a fanvid to one of their songs, I need to know, okay? :lol: Well, there's this.O...kay. That counts as fairly amusing at least - tahnks! I was in need of something to cheer me up. That and the Fifth Doc TW fic I just found have helped...
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Post by primsong on Nov 19, 2009 19:19:24 GMT
I'm now visualising ian and Barbara falling over Doctors and companions as they explore the junkyard... Six (because he would be found, in that coat): Oh, don't worry. Ignore us. You carry on looking for S- that pupil of yours. Tried that innocent looking blue box over there? Barbara: But what are you doing here? Peri (firmly): Arguing. Six: Your pupil, madam, went that way. And if you should see a fellow in a scarf, just ignore him too. If he'll let you. Ian: Is this some sort of joke? Barbara: Let's call the police. I love this. Now I want to read the horde of Doctors (a flock of Doctors? A Who of Doctors?) story - 47 of him would be a bit thick, wouldn't it? ;D I would love to have Two replace Six in Vengeance on Varos - what would Jamie turn into, I wonder? Not a bird, I think... maybe he'd go all plaid and turn into a bagpipe...heh...
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Post by primsong on Nov 19, 2009 19:20:48 GMT
...I have discovered that Lawrence Miles doesn't really like anything that happened after Three left ... What, something worthwhile happened after Three left? I'm shocked!
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Post by jjpor on Nov 19, 2009 23:29:32 GMT
Yeah, but some of the Faction Paradox stuff is good, if...strange...
Swaps? I'd like to see how Seven would have handled Waters of Mars actually. I think it might have ended up with a dysfunctional moment between him and Ace, a la Curse of Fenric, but he probably would have deserved it. ;D
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Post by clocketpatch on Nov 19, 2009 23:36:18 GMT
But Seven would have been alone, and he's up there with Ten on the list of Doctor who Reaaalllyyy need someone to stop them.
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Post by jjpor on Nov 19, 2009 23:40:30 GMT
Hmm, scary thought... Depending on how dark you want your Seven (middle-period NA dark, for instance), it could get pretty...er...yeah... Maybe he just keeps walking in that bit, where...you know, swinging his brolly as he goes. Either that, or he just keeps walking at the very end there... Either way... Meanwhile, Ten's stuck in the middle of Remembrance of the Daleks, and in that bit at the end, Davros makes him cry by being horrid to him...er... That was just being mean to Ten, wasn't it? ;D
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Post by johne on Nov 19, 2009 23:46:15 GMT
Maybe he just keeps walking in that bit, where...you know, swinging his brolly as he goes. Either that, or he just keeps walking at the very end there... Either way... Of course, if the Doctor had had a brolly in Waters it would have come in very handy. Maybe saved a life or two.
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