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Post by lostspook on Sept 14, 2009 17:37:54 GMT
The moment I say that I end up going: "Six/Romana, eh? Hmmm. Well...." There is NO hope for me. ;D
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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 14, 2009 19:10:37 GMT
I concur with most of you on the accent issue. Coming from a journalism background, I find accents really unnecessary, but mannerisms and phrases the character is known to say are much mroe helpful in writing.
I say leave accents to the actors. On paper it is less likely to work and more likely to make it harder for your readers to follow dialogue and plots. Also for someone not from that country or who speaks that dialect, you are more likely to overdo it or screw-up the accent. At the same time, I do see what you mean aobut with Jamie. Common exclaimations or habits should be taken into consideration.
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Post by Maggadin on Sept 14, 2009 20:10:20 GMT
Well, Spook, it's only ''threading'' on other ships if if one was trying to prevent people from writing other pairings. Now, as much as I sometimes wish I had power of Who canon, I regret to inform you that this is not the case. ;D Besides, I haven't perfected the mind-control machine yet As Doctors 5-7 ever thinking of Romana, I like to think that the Doctor thinks of all of his companions from time to time. Oh, Clocket, do be careful about putting K-9 in high places. He enjoys it far too much.
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Post by jjpor on Sept 14, 2009 22:29:04 GMT
In my personal fanon (which is a weird and messed-up place, I'll admit, full of LOOMSS!! and stuff, and with a growing, unspoken suspicion that as much as I hate the idea Eight may not have been kidding about that half-human thing), K-9 continues to rule E-Space with a little extendable sensor thing of iron; on some of the embargoed slaver worlds, the few surviving inhabitants huddle in their hovels telling tales of the little tin god of war with the blazing red eye, whose very gaze meant death... The worst of all things; an absolute dictator who tells the people he's doing it for their own good, and has the statistics and logical arguments to prove it...
Ahem...
I'll confess that I do the DAL-EKS SPEAK-ING IN CAP-IT-ALS WITH HY-PHENS BE-TWEEN THE SYLL-AB-LES THING! AND END-ING EV-ER-Y SEN-TENCE WITH AN EX-CLAM-A-TION MARK BE-CAUSE THEY LIKE TO SHOUT A LOT! I SAW IT SOME-WHERE AND THOUGHT IT LOOKED COOL! BE-CAUSE I HAVE NO TASTE! EX-TER-MIN-ATE! EX-TERM-IN-ATE!
Er...
Well, I'm going to stick to what I'm doing with Jamie then, while trying not to overcook it. Of course, in his home era, before railways and other forms of rapid communication, even people from different regions of England might have had a hard time understanding each other's spoken dialects, let alone English and Scots. In fact, I have a vague suspicion that a Highlander like Jamie might still have spoken Gaelic as his first language in those days. In the current fic I'm writing, I of course follow the Sixties historical convention of everybody in the past speaking RADA-level English, so with the phonetics we have the weird phenomenon of Persians, Spartans etc who apparently speak posher English than Jamie does. Work that one out.
As regards ships - I'm pretty much a live and let live sort of person, I think. I may snipe at Doctor/Rose continuously, but more power to whoever wants to read and write that sort of thing, and hopefully they will extend the same courtesy to my latest clump of Doctor/Romana fluff, and I for my part will take any sniping they may aim in my direction in good humour, because Who fandom is broad church that takes all sorts. Or that is the position of Kan'Po Rimpoche-esque enlightenment to which I aspire; I maybe don't manage it all of the time ;D
And I'll confess, I've skirted dangerously close to Secretly Pines for Her as regards Doctor/Romana quite a few time...
*torpedo running!*
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Post by clocketpatch on Sept 15, 2009 2:31:42 GMT
Oh, Clocket, do be careful about putting K-9 in high places. He enjoys it far too much. I know. I wanted desperately to get a screencap of K-9 on a wall from the K-9 & Company opening credits, but I didn't have the time or inclination to be bothered. Heh.
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Post by johne on Sept 15, 2009 7:13:30 GMT
In fact, I have a vague suspicion that a Highlander like Jamie might still have spoken Gaelic as his first language in those days. Quite possibly, though TARDIS translation would cover that. I like to think he did, because it means I can make him use words from the fascinating list of Gaelic epithets. Regarding Daleks, it depends how much speech they have. If they've just got a few lines I use all-caps, but if there's going to be a lot of Dalek conversation they get the benefits of upper and lower case.
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Post by magnusgreel on Sept 15, 2009 8:42:25 GMT
Nine and Mrs. Tyler. I'm writin' it.
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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 15, 2009 14:17:20 GMT
In the current fic I'm writing, I of course follow the Sixties historical convention of everybody in the past speaking RADA-level English, so with the phonetics we have the weird phenomenon of Persians, Spartans etc who apparently speak posher English than Jamie does. Work that one out. What is this RADA-level English? I've never heard of this. If this is comment about what I said, I'm simply thinking about your audience. Using Galeic might be fine (in fact, thank you, JJ, for posting that link to the list , but if you go overboard your audience that ranges from 6 to 80 years old and from places all over the world old have a hard time following and enjoying what the point of your story is. I'm guessing your writing is purely about accents and language. I'm guessing there's more to the plot than that. Therefore, while being true to the character remember people are there for the adventure and the humanistic side of your characters. As regards ships - I'm pretty much a live and let live sort of person, I think. I may snipe at Doctor/Rose continuously, but more power to whoever wants to read and write that sort of thing, and hopefully they will extend the same courtesy to my latest clump of Doctor/Romana fluff, and I for my part will take any sniping they may aim in my direction in good humour, because Who fandom is broad church that takes all sorts. I agree with you, JJ, which I know is as rare as a blue moon. I might not like the Doctor/Romana ship, but I will not stop anyone from writing it. As my good friend CP persauded me, there's something to enjoy about any ship. I've read stories with them by her and still found enjoyment in it, even if I purposively ignored any hint of shippiness. Or that is the position of Kan'Po Rimpoche-esque enlightenment to which I aspire; I maybe don't manage it all of the time ;D What is this Kan'Po Rimposche-esque enlightenment? ?? .... Secretly Pines for Her as regards Doctor/Romana quite a few time... I've seen this phrase above before, but it still baffles me. What is it? Why is is all capitalized like that? On a different note, I'm curious to know (getting back on to topic), what Four episodes would you like to see another Doctor do, considering Four had the longest run? I was debating "Image of Fendahl" with Two, Jamie, and Victoria or Nine and Destrii (comicbook companion).
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Post by lostspook on Sept 15, 2009 18:14:40 GMT
So much to say... and only five minutes to do it in! Abby, RADA is merely the top London acting school where everyone went and learned to speak the Queen's English which is why most British actors sound so terribly posh until the mid 1980s. (Generalising horribly, but still). Erm, using 'Secretly Pines For Her' was just me. I do that sort of capitalising things sometimes, when I'm labelling something. It's a cowardly way of slightly mocking a genre (ish) without saying anything in the least bit nasty. *coughs* Yeah, I should stop that. And while I'm on that subject, to maggadin awww - we know he thinks of all of them from time to time! (Especially when being tortured by Daleks or under vampire attack. Although he sometimes likes to forget about Leela. Hmm. What's with that? ;D). And, JJ, I'd never send a torpedo in your direction. I'd be too interested to see how you'd tackle whatever it was I said I was never going to read / write because it wasn't my thing. (I read your adult fic - I don't read anyone else's adult fic because it makes my brain explode. And, way, back on topic... but *quivers* take Leela out of Image of the Fendahl? There goes one of my little ships right off. (That would be the unlikeliest little Canoe Leela/Colby). ;D Interesting. I think I would hand Revenge of the Cybermen over to the highest bidder, because I don't think anyone could do it worse. And Four, Harry and Sarah would probably only improve any episode they got in exchange.
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Post by lostspook on Sept 15, 2009 18:16:20 GMT
Nine and Mrs. Tyler. I'm writin' it. Well, if so, I'm certainly reading it. What did she have to DO to him first?
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Post by jjpor on Sept 15, 2009 21:25:00 GMT
You better hadn't be kidding about that, Magnus, because I want to read that. I want to read it right now!
Moving on rapidly...
I think we're broadly in agreement on the subjects of accents and shipping-tolerance, Abby, even if I don't always make myself clear because I'm too busy with the flippant remarks. ;D After all, there is a reason why the convention in most historically-set films and television is to have the characters speaking the same language, and indeed often in the same modern idiom, as the audience rather than, say, medieval Latin with subtitles, and that is that it's far more accessible, draws the audience in more, and I think you get subtleties of character etc. far more clearly too. So, I'd go along with what you say there.
K'anpo Rimpoche (and I never know where to put the apostrophe) is the wise old Tibetan guy in Planet of the Spiders, and he seems like a pretty chilled-out sort of dude. Who wouldn't want to be like him? ;D Yatesy certainly did!
And yeah, why doesn't Leela get a look-in in Resurrection of the Daleks? Does anyone know what the real-life reason might be? JNT held some deep-seated grudge against her from the days when he was just floor manager or whatever?
I could see Season-24 Seven and Mel fitting into Revenge of the Cybermen like a well-worn glove... Glitter-guns and stuff. Not Season 25 Seven, though, cause he'd win so quickly and finally it wouldn't even be funny... Poor Cybermen!
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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 15, 2009 23:20:51 GMT
K'anpo Rimpoche (and I never know where to put the apostrophe) is the wise old Tibetan guy in Planet of the Spiders, and he seems like a pretty chilled-out sort of dude. Who wouldn't want to be like him? ;D Yatesy certainly did! Oh,yes! Now, I remember him. Say, didn't he turn out to be a fellow Time Lord? *looks suspiciously at JJ* You're trying to make yourself into some wise Time Lord? Perhaps the others were right, and you are really the Master in disguise. As for JNT dislike of Leela, I'm shocked. She's my favorite companion of all time. She is just thy absolute best! Nobody can lay a hand on the Doctor when Leela is around. And, I love how her character slowly develops into more than just a savage being wowed by the man with the time machine. I seriously believe she was always meant to go to Gallifrey to reinsert new energy, and perhaps, DNA into the dying Time Lord Society. I could see Season-24 Seven and Mel fitting into Revenge of the Cybermen like a well-worn glove... Glitter-guns and stuff. Not Season 25 Seven, though, cause he'd win so quickly and finally it wouldn't even be funny... Poor Cybermen! Interesting point, JJ. I suppose later 7 would be too Time's Champion to make that a real adventure. And I think it would be funny to see how Mel stands up to cybermats and what her supposed technical knowledge would make of a world of gold. Oooh, would she actually achieve taking the bomb of Seven, only causing both of them to blow up? ? *snigger*
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Post by lostspook on Sept 16, 2009 17:45:56 GMT
I like the idea of Seven and Mel in Revenge of the Cybermen.
Does this mean Four, Sarah and Harry get Paradise Towers, because that would be interesting? (If I'd seen it any time in the last ten years, I'd be tempted to write that one).
Don't worry, Abby, I suspect it was just a slip up - I don't think JNT had it in for Leela/Louise! JJ was only speculating there. (And I@ve warne dhim about tha gambling before now). (In fact, did he ask her to come back as well as Elisabeth Sladen?? I can't recall, but he might have done).
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Post by johne on Sept 16, 2009 18:32:46 GMT
I happened to wonder last night about the Third Doctor in Survival. I think it would result in the motorcycle duel in the last episode being replaced by a ten-minute motorcycle chase, and some of the overt physical comedy being removed, but other than that it might just work.
As for his companion, I think Liz would be as horrified at being cheetah-ified as the Master was, while Jo would transform into the cutest of huge-eyed anime catgirls.
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Post by lostspook on Sept 16, 2009 18:51:31 GMT
I happened to wonder last night about the Third Doctor in Survival. I think it would result in the motorcycle duel in the last episode being replaced by a ten-minute motorcycle chase, and some of the overt physical comedy being removed, but other than that it might just work. As for his companion, I think Liz would be as horrified at being cheetah-ified as the Master was, while Jo would transform into the cutest of huge-eyed anime catgirls. Oh my goodness. Somehow, that's quite a thought.
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Post by jjpor on Sept 16, 2009 21:06:20 GMT
Perhaps the others were right, and you are really the Master in disguise. I deny everything! I have no idea what JNT may or may not have thought of Leela - that was just wild, irresponsible speculation on my part! - but I would like to know if there was any real-life reason why she was left out of that scene. And I like your theory about why the Doctor was happy to leave her behind on Gallifrey - the old Time Lords certainly needed some sort of shake-up, as I think the events of Invasion of Time amply demonstrated. And Mel inadvertently blowing up Seven - I could see that! ;D And I think Cybermats are great - they should have them in NuWho (but that'd mean having another *shudder* NuWho Cyberman story!) As regards Four and co in Paradise Towers - Harry would inevitably end up in the swimming pool - fighting clams in all likelihood! I happened to wonder last night about the Third Doctor in Survival. I think it would result in the motorcycle duel in the last episode being replaced by a ten-minute motorcycle chase, and some of the overt physical comedy being removed, but other than that it might just work. That is so true - and now I want to see it! I've often said Survival could have used and extra episode, but until now I've never realised it should have been an extra episode of Steve-McQueen-esque motorcycle hijinks and the Doctor karate-chopping cheetah-people! ;D And as magnificent as Ainley is in that story, I now have a scary mental image of Delgado with fangs and yellow contact lenses...
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Post by primsong on Sept 16, 2009 23:34:45 GMT
I happened to wonder last night about the Third Doctor in Survival. I think it would result in the motorcycle duel in the last episode being replaced by a ten-minute motorcycle chase.... Yes! With an assortment of other unusual vehicles thrown in just for good measure Because We Can.
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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 17, 2009 1:25:08 GMT
I have no idea what JNT may or may not have thought of Leela - that was just wild, irresponsible speculation on my part! - but I would like to know if there was any real-life reason why she was left out of that scene. What scene are you refering to, JJ?
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Post by magnusgreel on Sept 17, 2009 1:39:27 GMT
Why can't Harry and clams just get along?
I think Revenge really relies on the personalities of Tom, Harry and Sarah, so no changes please. Also, lose Tom and you get no "Harry Sullivan is an imbecile!!!" A cosmos without that line being uttered scarcely bears thinking about.
Louise Jameson said that JNT asked her back for season 18, that he had lunch with her at Television Centre, I guess, and that it was an interesting visit for other reasons I forget about (she may have hurt herself there that day, not sure). Then when she found out JNT had invited E Sladen back and that she'd turned it down, she declined. She didn't want to be second choice.
That may be the source of some ill feelings on JNT's part. I saw Resurrection recently, and noticed the lack of Leela. I probably shook my fist at the screen or something.
Leela is just what Gallifrey needed, and it does seem she was destined to end up there. If her purpose there is to shake up the Time Lords, I guess she can do that best from inside the Citadel, as in "Gallifrey", but I can't see her there. She's always outside in my imagination.
I'm as incapable of writing Mrs. Tyler lines or even Nine lines, probably, as I would be of writing in Slovakian. I didn't even know what part of Britain her accent is from, before this thread. Too bad.
"Most 'round here believe you're a demon in the sack Doctor, and when most people believe, that make it true!"
It doesn't exactly write itself!
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Post by clocketpatch on Sept 17, 2009 3:38:09 GMT
The only explanation I've seen for Leela not being included is that Five was trying to hide the identity of the only companion he had left on Gallifrey, because if the Dalek got their plungers on her their hostile take-over would be that much easier. And this should have been COMPLETELY obvious to the audience, because of... particles.
and stuff.
No idea if that's true or not, but given how much sense the rest of that episode made, I've buy it...
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