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Post by jjpor on Mar 29, 2011 21:57:12 GMT
* Or possibly the (by now) time honoured Moffatian timeloop thing where they first find Bearded!Eleven banged up in Dreamland, and then have to persuade non!Bearded!Eleven to let the Men in Black apprehend him so he'll be there for them to bust him out? At which Merry and Clocket, for two, would definitely cry foul, and I might as well considering it'd be more or less the same plotline as the much-maligned Comic Relief sketch...among other things... 
Sorry, I mentioned it again! 
I am intrigued by this notion of two Doctors, though, one supposedly a fake or duplicate, and that it might be the Eleven we've seen for most of S5 while the "real" one is the poor beggar getting probed (I imagine!  ) by the US military-industrial complex... Merry, which bits of Eleven in S5 did you consider to be wildly out of character again? You know, could they be clues...?
Oh, and someone on LJ said there was supposed to be a new S6 trailer airing on BBC1 at 10.00 tonight, but the only one I saw was the same short clip of the astronaut and the alien thing standing behind Eleven in the TARDIS doorway. I'd certainly like a new full trailer now...* |
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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 30, 2011 3:00:09 GMT
Obvious word play is obvious. face!palm This isn't a proper spoiler and should probably be in the lottery spec. thread, but it's late and we're sleepy and... oh heck READ: TARDIS... IRDIS... Here's betting it's going to stand for Isolated Relative Dimensions in Space or something. And who else would be the Doctor's wife? Or at least... it's probably the closet term for their relationship, even if it isn't quite right.
AND they're visiting the TARDIS boneyard at some point. This whole elephant graveyard of TARDISes. Oh man, oh man...
Mona Lisa lady is NOT the person I'd want playing the TARDIS (or, uh, anyone after that awful episode of awful), but I'm willing to concede that the actress was having an off day. Oh please let my cracked out theory be true... and let it be done well... ;D ;D ;D
Or I could be wrong and Irdis Hopper got a sex-change after Boom Town: tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Idris_Hopper  Edited to add that this would seem to confirm: doctorwhospoilers.com/2011/ |
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Post by eve11 on Mar 30, 2011 11:57:02 GMT
This whole idea fills me with glee, and not just because I've had the idea River is a sentient TARDIS for quite some time...
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Post by eve11 on Mar 30, 2011 14:30:03 GMT
another question: Now that I've poked around that spoiler site for quite a while... I am wondering, are episodes 12 and 13 separate episodes or are they part of a two-parter? There appear to be three two-parters lined up as usual but the cliffhanger one is eps 7 and 8 for the summer break. If eps 12 and 13 are also a two-parter that makes four two parters. Which actually I would love; I really like when they tell longer stories. Anybody know?
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Post by jjpor on Mar 30, 2011 16:47:34 GMT
* Yes, I agree - it seems very likely she's a TARDIS, probably the actual TARDIS. I like it! Gaiman's episode's going to be a strange one, isn't it? Fandom will probaby regard it as either instant classic or massive letdown, no middle ground. ;D I'm looking forward to it.
I...don't know... I think it might even be a one-part finale, unusually, but I get the impression that there's going to be so much arc stuff building up in the earlier episodes that it won't seem like a one-parter. I know now, poking about the spoiler site, that Ep 12, the one with James Corden in it, has probably got Cybermen in it - there's a picture of Eleven holding a Cybermat! ;D
Saw a good bit of irrelevant speculation on the Combom site - what is that Secret Service-looking dude getting so excited about in the prequel clip - it's only a phone call! Someone suggested maybe he is the Grey creature (the Silent?), somehow disguised as a human. They have similar or identical suits. Mind you, so did everybody in the White House in 1969, I'm willing to bet.
Another interesting thing - the character in the opening two-parter played by Mark "that British bloke who's seemingly guest-starred in every US genre TV show made in the past twenty years" Sheppard apparently appears in "older" and "younger" versions according to the imdb, anyway. So the story takes place in two time periods? Dear lord, I hope poor old bearded!Eleven doesn't get nabbed by the Men in Black back in the 60s and then spend the next forty-odd years a prisoner in Area-51 before his companions can get him out? * |
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Post by eve11 on Mar 30, 2011 17:01:12 GMT
I really really hope he isn't imprisoned for that long! I mean, ouch. New levels of ouch!
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Post by merrythemad on Mar 30, 2011 17:09:58 GMT
Eve, sure thing the OOC moments (and there were many but off the top of my head I can only think of a few) were as follows: (not whited out due their not being spoilers as all episodes and incidents mentioned have aired) 1) the Sil episodes, the sil scientist says "I kidnap Earth-children, do experiments, changing their biology via metabolism, so I can experiment as long as I like and then I watch them grow" and the Doctor replies? "I love you" I'd say that's pretty darned OOC, unless the only people you are permitted to experiment upon without permission happen to be Earthlings 2) His willingness to lobotomise the starwhale (although i suppose we could write that up as displacement, a misguided attempt at kindness due to each being the last of their kind) there is a vague continuation of this throughout the season, Amy solves everything while the Doctor blusters about being loud and enchanted 3)He sees someone is making a TARDIS on Craig's non-existant second floor and brushes it off! Doesn't care a twig about an attempted TARDIS that friggin EATS[/b] people! He, in fact, goes on about his business ** only to have aforementioned resurface toward the end of this series...hmm** So, I'm hoping like heck that these and the many other OOC moments of last series will be remedied by some clever it was never him or the like type action. We had it all figured out one DWlive night but sadly, having failed to write it down, most of it is lost  |
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Post by jjpor on Mar 30, 2011 20:50:37 GMT
Playing devil's advocate for a moment (Moffat pays me in envelopes full of crumpled used notes, you know), I'd put 1) and 2) down to bad writing, tbh (*shakes fist* - "curse you, Chibnall!" "No excuse, Moffat!"), but I suppose if we're seeking to rationalise them in the context of the show being "real", then, yeah... (Don't get me started on the subject of the Silurian story again - the only story of S5 that I didn't like, at all. I mean, I even enjoyed quite a lot about the Churchill/Daleks extravaganza despite it being seemingly calculated to push many of my historical-political beserk buttons. Curse you (yet again) Chibnall!) To step outside the fiction for a moment (further moments), I think there was a genuine tendency in the early S5 stories to try and big-up Amy's resourcefulness and strength and general awesomeness at the cost of making Eleven look a bit ineffectual. I think it got better - I think the Angels two-parter sort of tipped the balance back to where it should be and showed why the Doctor is the Doctor and most humans are out of their depth in his world. I didn't like the climax of Beast Below either, tbh, despite thinking the rest of the story was pretty fantastic, really. Can we put it down to regeneration trauma and him still finding his feet? No, thought not. As for 3) It does seem a pretty huge omission on the Doctor's part, glaringly so. If I were him, I'd be all over any hint of relic Gallifreyan technology and possibly surviving Time Lords and investigate it until I figured out what was going on. So the very fact that he didn't raises alarm bells, you're right. I don't know about out of character, though, so much as suspicions as to what Eleven is keeping close to his chest - what does he know about this whole scenario with the Silence and everything that his companions and the audience don't know? * It's one I would expect to be addressed in S6, given that the "Evil TARDIS" is reappearing. And by "expect" I'm not sort of trying to create a false impression of Moffat's skills at plotting etc - by "expect", I mean, if it doesn't get addressed in the course of S6 I'm going to be calling "severe plot hole!" * |
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Post by Maggadin on Mar 31, 2011 5:49:02 GMT
Nooooo, now I can't love the TARDIS anymore!
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Post by jjpor on Mar 31, 2011 20:55:07 GMT
;D - yes you can! * If it's River you're referring to, wouldn't her being the TARDIS or Romana or something make her a little bit all right? Even a little bit?? Actually, I don't think River is the TARDIS - I think it's this Idris character, in some strange means...* |
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Post by eve11 on Mar 31, 2011 21:51:26 GMT
Yeah jjpor, I have to agree with you on blaming those OOC moments on more meta-aspects of writing. And, as far as (3) goes, well, if it was a TARDIS it wasn't a very good one, right? With the existence of vortex manipulators and the like, I'm thinking perhaps time travel isn't so exclusive to Time Lords any more? Man wouldn't it suck though if the whole proto-TARDIS thing from the Lodger was just a canny re-use of a set on the art department's part? Bah, that would be a TOTAL cop-out. And yet, and yet, with the budget issues (Moffat: "Can we make the monster look like a table?" "How about invisible!"), I can't completely dismiss the idea.
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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 31, 2011 23:26:21 GMT
At the moment the main thing I'm wondering about is...
wasn't the coral TARDIS destroyed? I thought it had been dissembled and junked and auctioned off. I SAW parts of it up for auction, I kid ye not. And wasn't it all crumbling to bits towards the end of Ten's tenure because it was stored incorrectly? Wasn't that one of the reasons the new TARDIS set happened? Well, that and the coral TARDIS's colour scheme didn't play well with HD filming?
So, uh... WHAT?!? Did they build a new one? Was it not as destroyed as we've been led to believe? Did they resemble all the random bits and bobs? Or... were they filming bits of this series as early as two years ago?!
*confusion*
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Post by eve11 on Apr 1, 2011 2:16:21 GMT
I heard somewhere that the two sets are actually still up, and right next to each other. Though, I can't remember WHERE I heard that...
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Post by clocketpatch on Apr 1, 2011 3:15:07 GMT
Oh man, if that is true, that would be the most awesome film set to visit ever. Not that visiting the TARDIS set in general wouldn't be great, but getting two at once? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by merrythemad on Apr 2, 2011 1:26:29 GMT
I'm really hoping it isn't bad writing, because that's uber-bad writing, and as many seem to be still hovering, we shall see! At any rate, it was definitely auctioned off, I too saw bits of it on that auction, but it's also definitely the old TARDIS, I s'pose they could only have auctioned this n that off, it doesn't seem to be holding up really well in the scene, so mayhap we won't notice actual wear n tear on the set pieces in the confusion
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Post by jjpor on Apr 2, 2011 15:04:11 GMT
Well, without wanting to flog that particular dead hobby-horse any more, I think "uber-bad writing" would pretty accurately describe Chibnall's Silurian effort, as far as I'm concerned. The other points didn't really stand out to me at the time I was watching. I think Eleven has done plenty of questionable things in S5, but to me they seem to reflect that sort of flipside of the Doctor's character. They didn't seem jarring to me, more interesting, really, and I want to see where they're going with it. If they don't go anywhere with it or at least acknowledge it, then that would annoy me a bit, probably. * I don't know, but I imagine it would be possible to construct a visual effect combining old footage of the Ten-era TARDIS interior and new material of Amy and Rory, if that was what was required.
Surely not? If they really are just reusing sets and there'll be not reference back to The Lodger and it doesn't turn out to be a TARDIS at all, then I'll be very disappointed. Surely not, though...? You've scared me now! * Oh, and nearly forgot - here's a fairly bizarre SPOILER I was linked to from Livejournal: * doctorwhospoilers.com/2011/2011/04/the-doctor-vs-hitler/* You'll have to copy and paste it into your browser, because somehow trying to hide the spoilery url name has made the hyperlink not work... |
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Post by eve11 on Apr 2, 2011 17:09:58 GMT
I saw that spoiler and it looks intriguing... but I was basically distracted by the Doctor in a jacketless tux, so... hmmm.... I think that somehow there is a trap or something set for the Doctor at the beginning of episode 7? And perhaps the historicals are a culmination of him trying to run? If THAT's the case, then maybe there is more going on in the first two episodes than we realize... maybe there are two different storylines running around there? Ah, actually, from the previews I really have NO IDEA what is going on in the first two eps, beside the point that there are creepy silent monsters who invaded a while ago and who are present as whispers in walls. Very Moffat-esque, that. And I want to know what is up with Amy, too, in the BBC america trailer at the end she has this blank look on her face when the Doctor is talking to her at the end... what is going on??? AAAAAARg there are still 3 frelling weeks to go!!!!!!!
And yes, the whole Lodger TARDIS thing would be a TOTAL cop-out if it was just a set re-use. I'm 95% sure it isn't but that last 5% scares me
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Post by merrythemad on Apr 3, 2011 1:43:15 GMT
I dunno, maybe I just have higher standards, but I think if I could write a story more IC than the writers than the writers need to go not be forgiven. It could also be I'm waaaay more anal-retentive than many people as well (hahaha). But to me they did seem glaring n jarring (so much so I haven't rewatched series 5 in order as a series as yet I've watched this ep or that ep but not ever the whole thing and I ALWAYS do that) and I agree that they would be remiss in failing to address them. As for the spoiler, it's all super exciting, including the scenes from the American trailer, I need to awtch both again and i shall have more to say, methinks.
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Post by clocketpatch on Apr 3, 2011 20:10:27 GMT
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Post by jjpor on Apr 3, 2011 20:50:37 GMT
See, my problem is I have pretty low standards, really - I'm easily distracted by shiny, flashy things too... ;D And agreed, Merry - I think those trailers need a rewatch or several dozen. It'll keep us all occupied for the next three weeks... Clocket: to you too! Well, just when I'd stopped worrying about Gaiman's story... ;D And LOL at the dialogue too! Another spoilery url (copy and paste job): * doctorwhospoilers.com/2011/2011/04/the-second-amy-and-the-third-reich/
Right, so we have Rory punching Nazis and then escaping on a motorbike...
To reiterate: Rory. Punching Nazis. And then escaping from them. On a motorbike.
So basically, Rory is Indiana Jones/Steve McQueen/Ace Rimmer. I fail to see the non-cool aspect of that scenario. ;D* |
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