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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 25, 2011 18:37:58 GMT
Yes a prequel... well... they say so anyways. It's really only a minute-and-a-bit long. www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00fxf06(doesn't seem to be region-locked either. I'm starting to half-hope that the series proper will be mysterious unlocked too... but somehow I doubt it) Anyway, all I can say is: nice fake nose. And is anyone else reminded of An Empty Child with the whole creepy voice over the phone while a tape goes round and round?*
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Post by jjpor on Mar 25, 2011 19:41:45 GMT
Yes, nice nose! ;D * Although not quite as obvious/daft as the one on the guy playing Nixon in the Watchmen film...* * But yes, more than a bit Empty Child-ish, really. Which can only be a good thing! I interpreted the tape recorder to be a bit of a historical in-joke, referencing Nixon's rl penchant for recording everything that went on in the Oval Office, including the conversations that would later come back to incriminate him. The thing that impressed me most was the direction of the scene - the camera angles and changes of focus and all that were very classy, I thought. I hope the rest of the story has the same sort of look and style.
And the...the...thing! So it isn't a fake! And...creepy... I think the creepiest thing is the noise it seemed to be making. I couldn't be sure, given its blurriness, if it was a classic UFO-lore "Grey" or some weird skeleton-creature or something in between, but I know if I have any dreams about it I'm going to sue Moffat! ;D
"There are no monsters in the Oval Office!" * And in a possibly related development, the Beeb claim they are going to reveal Doctor Who's "latest iconic image" or something at one minute past midnight tonight, UK time. At this link, I assume: www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110325_02/Coming_Soon_Iconic_ImageI have no idea what they're going on about, but in light of the teaser trailer and the prequel clip, I suspect it will be MUCHO SPOILERY and also possibly quite creepy too...
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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 25, 2011 20:20:11 GMT
This isn't going to be "iconic" like those fly aliens from Planet of the Dead were supposed to be iconic is it?
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Post by jjpor on Mar 25, 2011 20:28:18 GMT
LOL! Er...yes...it specifically says "the most iconic image in Who since the fly monsters in Planet of the Dead." ;D
And: *If I was looking for things to criticise the clip for, it would be that the actor's impersonation of Nixon, false nose aside, was a bit lacklustre. Worse than Ian McNeice's impersonation of Churchill, but McNeice gets a free pass from me because he played the awesome street-corner newsreader bloke in Rome ("True Roman bread for true Romans!"). ;D*
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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 25, 2011 20:37:59 GMT
As long as the Doctor doesn't end up being BEST BUDDIES with Nixon... otherwise I might start giving some credence to Merry's evil clone theory.
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Post by jjpor on Mar 25, 2011 20:47:04 GMT
*Funnily enough, that was precisely what I thought too... ;D And then, I thought, given the NuWho Doctor's habit of unquestioningly becoming buds with people who are popularly thought of as "goodies" like Dickens, Shakespeare, Churchill etc, would him palling around with a pretty much canonical "baddie" like Tricky Dick actually amuse me no end? ;D
And Nixon, whatever his many and varied faults, actually stikes me as "US President most likely to have an angsty, paranoid phone conversation with some random kid who phoned the White House in the middle of the night"... ;D*
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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 26, 2011 16:23:32 GMT
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Post by jjpor on Mar 26, 2011 16:37:58 GMT
LOL, yes, once again the BBC's idea of "iconic" and my idea of "iconic" turn out not to be the same thing... ;D * I've pored over the picture, though, for all of, oh, a minute, trying to see if there were any little Grey/Skull-faced "things" lurking in the background, and was mighty disappointed not to find any, because I was sure one would be there. Or at any rate, there were none there that my keen powers of observation could detect... *
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Post by merrythemad on Mar 27, 2011 1:30:13 GMT
JJ, so far as I know, that is true, pause the new trailer and you can see it ( I can't remember the time though, I'm sorry many drugs and things are working against me). SOOOO excited *rubs hands eagerly*
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Post by librarylover on Mar 27, 2011 19:02:38 GMT
** Tricky Dick in Doctor Who . . . will wonders never cease? I do think the tape was meant to be more a reference to Nixon's penchant for taping conversations than a reference to the Empty Child, but either way that trailer really creeped me out. Maybe it was just the disturbing close-up on the fake Nixon nose. I agree with JJ, the camera work was very interesting.
I was half expecting to see a skull in the astronaut suit. Maybe the speculation about "Silence will fall" being related to the Library isn't off base. Could the Vashta Nerada be coming back? Also, did anyone else notice that the titles for the trailer looked like a throwback to the previous titles, rather than the Season 5 titles? **
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Post by merrythemad on Mar 28, 2011 1:57:25 GMT
O M G the newest spoiler regarding Gaiman's episode. doctorwhospoilers.com/2011/ MRS DOCTOR? MRS DOCTOR? At least all the River-bashers who only bash as they are convinced she's his wife will shut up, i cannot believe this is true but OMG OMG OMG what if it is??? *runs off to rewatch Wargames*also hiya LL!!!** i agree the tape recorder is more a reference to Watergate and the missing 18 minutes of tape than to EC/DD. Also, Nixon, really wasn't that bad, he just caught doing what every darned president does. CP, yes Eleven's eye looks absolutely awful, I do better on my private photoshops than they managed to do professionally. there's more I wanted to say but I have forgotten, blasted meds, sorry **
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Post by eve11 on Mar 28, 2011 3:44:48 GMT
Re the spoiler: Well the list of magazine spoilers that came out a long time back did say that the doctor will get married...twice! And once might be Marilyn Monroe from the Christmas special (one of the spoilers in that list of 41 was also "Some lies are too big for the psychic paper" which was his "respectable adult" comment from that special So maybe she is his wife in that they get madcap married somehow?
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Post by merrythemad on Mar 28, 2011 3:56:26 GMT
I thought it was three times and on trial twice? Excellent point though, that really could be it exactly and they are playing it up rather unkindly. Agreed on the psychic paper though, some time ago I meant to post that list and check them off as they occurred, sadly life has overtaken that particular train of thought
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Post by eve11 on Mar 28, 2011 4:34:35 GMT
Well according to my link here: eve11.livejournal.com/536793.html, #29 is "The Doctor will get married, twice!" So we shall see who this Mrs. Doctor is. Arg, I'm so excited for the new series and there's still a month to wait! Well, it gives me time to try and finish my fanfic story before it gets Jossed in the premiere, I suppose.
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Post by merrythemad on Mar 28, 2011 16:02:21 GMT
AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the title of Neil's episode released: The Doctor's Wife which would seem to confirm things discussed earlier
**Eve11, huh, thanks for correcting me, I get things transposed on occasion (is that what I did this time? three times on trial? I'll go look in just a moment. That aside, I am certain you must be right, as it just seems altogether to in-your-face obvious to not be a red herring of some sort**
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Post by eve11 on Mar 28, 2011 17:20:26 GMT
My guess is that it's going to be something like "The Doctor's Daughter"? I thought Gaiman's ep was "What are little boys made of"? or is that something different? Then on the other hand, there is a "how could a fellow Gallifreyan stoop so low?" teaser, so perhaps the Doctor's wife is actually a Time Lady of some kind. Anyway, my bet is that somehow the Doctor manages to accidentally get married in the episode. OR maybe that the person in question is this Idris person I've heard tell about. OR that she turns out to be evil or a con artist or something, like Saffron in Firefly. Okay, yes, that is a lot of guesses!
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Post by jjpor on Mar 28, 2011 18:58:18 GMT
* Well, that comes as a surprise!! I sort of tend to echo the thoughts of others that whatever actually happens in the story in question, it's unlikely to be that straightforward - there will be some element of deception in that title, I think, or indeed it will refer to some character you least expect. Or I could be completely wrong, and we will actually be meeting Mrs Who... I don't know how I feel about that - could be good, could be not, but I sort of feel a bit happier that it's Gaiman handling it as opposed to, say, Chris Chibnall or somebody (harsh of me? ;D).
Regarding the opening story, I notice we haven't yet seen the astronaut's face in any of the teaser photos - just the reflections in the spacesuit visor. So I really, really, wouldn't be surprised if there turned out to be a skull in there or some equally horrible reveal (like one of those Grey creatures say). I've heard lots of speculation about it all somehow tying back into the library story, but at this stage who can say?
I think Nixon is probably too complex an historical character for NuWho - they'd probably just paint him as an outright baddie (somehow can't see them having him as a goodie!), whereas a genuine treatment would be something like as nuanced as Vincent and the Doctor. From what I know of him, Nixon did a lot of bad things, but he was in many ways a very conflicted, dare I say weird, character. As I say above, US President most likely to have a twitchy phone conversation about aliens with some random kid in the middle of the night!
Well, him or Harry Truman, conceivably. ;D
I'm getting as paranoid as Dick - I've just subjected myself to the Comic Relief sketch again in the vain hope of spotting some sharp-dressed Greys lurking in the background. Didn't see any, but maybe someone else can?? *
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Post by eve11 on Mar 28, 2011 20:25:00 GMT
I think that Eleven has to give himself up to US security in order to fulfill some kind of timey-wimey-ness in the beginning arc. Like, the conversation where Amy tells him "You have to do this and you can't ask why" and then he says "My life in your hands, Amy Pond"-- looks from the trailer like Amy's in her Utah outfit. I think that means that Eleven gives himself up in the Oval office scene and ends up prisoner in Area 51 for a while, not sure how long though. And there is also a rumor that the next time we meet River is the first time she meets the Doctor, although I don't see how that can work if she's already shooting hats off his head... UNLESS there are two Rivers. Somehow I think River and Amy need to be able to keep a count or keep track of days as they are flipping through time (?) before they can synch up with the Doctor again?
And I imagine they would give Nixon similar treatment to what they gave Churchill? But yeah, where Churchill got whitewashed, Nixon would probably be painted the other way. Anyway, I'm guessing that we finally find out what gets erased from those 18.5 minutes on the Watergate Tapes; what do you want to bet the Doctor ends up with them in a TARDIS archive? Ah, I just hope that Moffat's picture of "typical Americans" is better than RTD's (aside from the TV reporter, man, the stereotypes that he managed to throw into just those few scenes in Sound of Drums were kind of ridiculous).
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Post by merrythemad on Mar 28, 2011 22:20:56 GMT
Eve, I agree with just about everything you've put forth here, two Rivers in one episode is actually rather a likely way to prove that rumor true, especially as it's a timey-whimey trick Moffat hasn't used as yet. It could actually make for a pretty interesting twist especially if Amy 'n' older River had secrets they were keeping both from the Doctor 'n' younger River, including future River's presence, oooh the plot bunnies you have just bred inside my head!
I'm not sure whether those 18 and a half minutes will be in the TARDIS or erased due to some sort of timey-whimey electromagnetic thing-a-majig, but either way, I quite agree the tape recorder is a allusion to those minutes and I doubt Moffat will be able to stop himself using them in the episode.
Good idea about the counting down (or up) so they can be in sync with the Doctor, although it could be to keep in sync with one another somehow. I'm still hoping there is some odd sort of switch going on n that will explain all those wretchedly out of character moments and (hopefully) bearded Doc in Area 51. When you consider Tinkerbell!Jesus!Doctor and Handy and really most of TBB, well it doesn't seem half so far-fetched now, especially with the wicked!TARDIS (I mean it ATE[/i] people) back in the picture.[/color]
GAH! I had more to say but I've lost my train of thought again, grrrr.
Merrytimeloopedit: JJ, please let us not speak of the Comic Relief Sketch...ever. Kay? Kay.
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Post by eve11 on Mar 28, 2011 22:37:13 GMT
Which wretchedly out of character moments?
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