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Post by lostspook on Apr 20, 2010 6:38:47 GMT
I resumed my epic quest to, er, read through all of TEaspoon (ish, or the bits that weren't adult rated and sounded interesting) in search of crossovers and historical fics. Yes, I'm crazy. Anyway, I bring back this for your perusal: www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?sid=1938It mocked the cliches of the NAs and amused me very much. (JJ will not approve though. Evil since before the Dawn of Time, or Love, Actually? :lol:)
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Post by jjpor on Apr 20, 2010 21:35:54 GMT
Heheh - it's funny because it's true... ;D
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Post by clocketpatch on Apr 20, 2010 22:04:58 GMT
I'm putting that on my rec list, for whenever I end up at Calufrax again... Heh.
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Post by Abbyromana on Apr 21, 2010 13:32:07 GMT
That is a fun story to watch. I can't say I get all the references, since I've only read one or two NA's. Not a big fan in them, since they mostly are depressing stories. Btw, I once read a Five and Nyssa book... are those part of the NAs or something else? I hope else, because it was actually a good story compared to the others I've read.
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Post by clocketpatch on Apr 21, 2010 18:17:18 GMT
I think the non-Eight or Seven stories are continuing adventures or missing stories or something?
There's a bookstore near me that sells them but I've never been able to work up the courage to buy them. Though... there has to be an underground fanbase in this city somewhere and it frustrates me that I haven't found it yet!
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Post by lostspook on Apr 21, 2010 18:58:25 GMT
If it was a book with Five and Nyssa, it would be a Missing Adventure (Virgin) or a Past Doctor Adventure (BBC), which ran alongside the NAs and the EDas.
And I know the NAs did tend to the angsty side of life, but there were some really good ones among them! The MAs also tended to ... well... erm... kill off Classic Who characters, but other than that they were often good. The EDAs and PDAs were a lot less angsty, for which they were glared at muchly. Then they went even more complicated, with some angst also, but, again, some good novels among them.
The fic isn't quite as amusing if you don't know the cliches they're mocking so well, I agree! I knew one or two folks round here would appreciate it, though.
And Clocket, I found it first! :lol:
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Post by Abbyromana on Apr 21, 2010 22:25:44 GMT
If it was a book with Five and Nyssa, it would be a Missing Adventure (Virgin) or a Past Doctor Adventure (BBC), which ran alongside the NAs and the EDas. And I know the NAs did tend to the angsty side of life, but there were some really good ones among them! The MAs also tended to ... well... erm... kill off Classic Who characters, but other than that they were often good. The EDAs and PDAs were a lot less angsty, for which they were glared at muchly. Then they went even more complicated, with some angst also, but, again, some good novels among them. The fic isn't quite as amusing if you don't know the cliches they're mocking so well, I agree! I knew one or two folks round here would appreciate it, though. And Clocket, I found it first! :lol: I really liked the Nyssa and Five one, which was called Empire of Death. The writer did an excellent job referencing from Time Flight and earlier, and having nice moments for both Nyssa and Five to recall the losses and regrets they have, including the lose of Adric and Nyssa's father and biological mother. Also, I really love the characterization of Queen Victoria (who obviously has no clue that Five is Ten or she hasn't met Ten yet). I also like how the writer keeps you guessing about what is really going on in terms of the mystery of the lake. The one, looking it up, was also a BBC release it appears. It was called "Loving the Alien". Ace is completely out of character, they kill of Mel for no apparent reason but to have angsty Seven who will become really angsty when Ace is killed off, and Ace, with no reason I can see, decides to have a physical relationship with a guy she barely knows (doesn't really sound like Ace to me). The only redeemable fact that is of interest is that alcohol can affect the Doctor but only if he lets it. This breaks with the theory of Ginger Beer being the only drink that can mentally inhibit him, but does show he has control over his bodily functions. Personally, I don't recommend this story. However, most of the DW books I've read are the book releases of the classic Who stories, which are surprisingly fun and chalked full of things that were cut from the original episodes or nuances from certain characters' POV, such as in the Five Doctors there's an extra scene between Tegan and Susan as well as Tegan's POV of meeting the different Doctors
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Post by lostspook on Apr 22, 2010 17:12:30 GMT
Ace, with no reason I can see, decides to have a physical relationship with a guy she barely knows (doesn't really sound like Ace to me). Heh - yes, you obviously haven't read many NAs...!!! :lol: (Sorry.) Well, that's about par for the course - one novel which is really good, another which is just fanfiction-y angst all over the place. No, I don't like the sound of that one, either - never having read either of those titles. The Five and Nyssa one sounds intriguing, I have to say.
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Post by Abbyromana on Apr 22, 2010 18:05:45 GMT
The Five and Nyssa one sounds intriguing, I have to say. Oh, it is! It is! I highly recommend it. I think compared to some Five and Nyssa stories I've read or heard, this one does a great trouble staying in canon, while expanding on aspects only hinted at on the telly. For example, in the Keeper of Traken, there is only the occasional throwaway lines about Nyssa's backstory before meeting the Doctor. This book really gets into Nyssa's head and learn her motivation for how she views the universe as well as the events leading up to the story. Another highly enjoyable and slightly darker story is the audio adventure Primeval, which really gets into the mythos behind the planet Traken, Nyssa's origins and telepathic abilities, and where the Keeper came from. Also, there's lovely banter between Five and the original elders of Traken in it as well as a dark, evil force (that sort of reminds me of the Beast from Satan's Pit) that, due to the brilliant build up writing, you really believe will be impossible for the Doctor to defeat unless he lets Nyssa and Traken die. Of course, I might be bias here, since Nyssa is one of my favorite companions, and Nyssa and Five is one of my favorite companion/doctor team-ups. I wished they had more adventures on telly with just the two of them.
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Post by lostspook on Apr 24, 2010 10:17:13 GMT
I shall look out for it. I like Nyssa - she's a very interesting character. However, I'm selfishly glad there aren't more adventures with just the two of them, as I love Tegan even more! ;-D I very much enjoyed Spare Parts, I have to say. And, back to my epic quest, despite Teaspoon's efforts to throw mre out yesterday, if you like your Seven NA-dark (without the cliche-busting from last time), here you go: www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?sid=5839Do be warned - when I said NA-dark, I meant it. (Funnily enough, it even throws in the consequences of Vengeance on Varos, which is something JJ and I have been discussing lately, which was strange.) Also very clever and NA-dark, for Benny, this is painfully funny: www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?sid=5855(Again, I did mean dark. Ish, anyway.)
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Post by jjpor on Apr 25, 2010 21:03:15 GMT
Ace, with no reason I can see, decides to have a physical relationship with a guy she barely knows (doesn't really sound like Ace to me). Heh - yes, you obviously haven't read many NAs...!!! :lol: (Sorry.) Yeah, the main thing I didn't like about the NAs was the direction they took Ace's character in - just misguided and wrong, really. And I have no idea what the thing about her hooking up various supporting characters were all about (and if you were only looking at the TV stories, it usually seemed to be girls that she befriended anyway...although there we're getting into worrying fanfic territory again... ;D) But yeah, I have read Loving the Alien, many moons ago, and it's...not the best...no... In fact, if I could get those hours of my life back... EDIT: In fact, the men she had pseudo-"things" with in the TV stories all seemed to be a) adherents of totalitarian ideologies and b) not long for this world. Make of that what you will... ;D
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Post by Abbyromana on Apr 25, 2010 22:06:32 GMT
But yeah, I have read Loving the Alien, many moons ago, and it's...not the best...no... In fact, if I could get those hours of my life back... You and me both, JJ. EDIT: In fact, the men she had pseudo-"things" with in the TV stories all seemed to be a) adherents of totalitarian ideologies and b) not long for this world. Make of that what you will... ;D Well, that' completely true. I'd say the Russian captain was a nice guy... unfortunately, he went the way of many companions' love interest. He was taken over by Fenric and conseqential died. Poor Ace... she never has much luck with guys... except maybe Hex, but then I'm way behind on his audio stories. And after what CP once mentioned... I think I fear for him now.
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Post by johne on Apr 25, 2010 22:57:45 GMT
Poor Ace... she never has much luck with guys... except maybe Hex, but then I'm way behind on his audio stories. And after what CP once mentioned... I think I fear for him now. The first DW fanfic I ever read online was a crossover with Star Trek TNG, where (as a minor side plot) Ace found herself getting on rather well with Wesley Crusher. This met with approval from all the Wesley-haters, who knew what inevitably happened to anyone at whom Ace so much as smiled. ] They were right. He died and got taken over by Fenric, at least until the reset button was hit at the end of the story.[
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Post by Abbyromana on Apr 25, 2010 23:14:31 GMT
The first DW fanfic I ever read online was a crossover with Star Trek TNG, where (as a minor side plot) Ace found herself getting on rather well with Wesley Crusher. This met with approval from all the Wesley-haters, who knew what inevitably happened to anyone at whom Ace so much as smiled. ] They were right. He died and got taken over by Fenric, at least until the reset button was hit at the end of the story.[ Hey! You mean Ace has the 'Samantha Carter' curse???! Wow! For those of you not familiar with Stargate SG-1, Samantha Carter is a female character in that show who is constantly set up with different male character and inevitably at some point in that initially story or later that love interest is either killed off or pushed off in the worse way possible (dumped for little to no reason or taken over or etc)... except for one male character who just happens to also be one of the leading characters (Jack O'Neill). Seriously! She's one messed up character... just because the SG-1 writers are trying to hit the reset button on her love life over and over and over, and never settling on a happy ending for her.
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Post by jjpor on Apr 26, 2010 21:19:51 GMT
Is it so wrong that I now want to read Ace/Wesley Crusher fic?
Actually, Seven and Picard could have some really good conversations, couldn't they? Hmm...
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Post by johne on Apr 26, 2010 22:25:33 GMT
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Post by johne on Apr 26, 2010 22:37:15 GMT
Hey! You mean Ace has the 'Samantha Carter' curse???! Wow! Just in the TV series, you've got Mike Smith, Gwendoline Pritchard, Captain Sorin and Karra. I believe the NAs kept the trend up. The only applicable one I own is First Frontier, in which a nice young FBI agent asks her out and promptly gets killed horribly. (Another newsgroup thread I remember vaguely was a discussion of how companions would react to meeting genderswapped versions of themselves. Consensus was that Ace would start a relationship with her counterpart. And then, I suppose, they'd both die horribly.)
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Post by Abbyromana on Apr 27, 2010 0:07:09 GMT
(Another newsgroup thread I remember vaguely was a discussion of how companions would react to meeting genderswapped versions of themselves. Consensus was that Ace would start a relationship with her counterpart. And then, I suppose, they'd both die horribly.) Ouch! That's cruel, Johne. And yet... I can't help but chuckle at the plot bunny thought. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by lostspook on Apr 30, 2010 19:04:32 GMT
Hang on - te fanfic is supposed to have me running back here for sympathy and brain bleach, not the other way around!!
:lol:
Yes, Ace is more than usually cursed, although by and large it's not a healthy thing to take an interest in the Doctor's companion. Maybe he's more subject to jealousy than we liked to admit and he arranges these things... :-)
Of course, Ace does have far and away the worst track record. But I'd generally advise not being a companion's love interest. Actually, it's a good rule for any regular series. You just know the random minor character the major character suddenly fancies is going to (depending on the show) a) die horribly, b) turn out to be evil/untrustworthy or c) married. Or all three. :lol:
I'm heading back off to the less scary world of Teaspoon, but I will let you know if I find any Wesley/Ace...
And: Hex! Aw. I don't think I can bear to listen. Somebody rescue the boy. Heh.
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Post by lostspook on May 3, 2010 9:28:55 GMT
I bring more fic. Ignore the title. It's very funny: www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?sid=12032:-) I also liked this rewriting of S1 's Dalek for Seven, Ace and Hex. No knowledge of Hex is needed for either. Enjoy!
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