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Post by ladydetemps on Aug 8, 2008 11:26:51 GMT
It came to me in a dream...
A lot of people think Riversong is the docs future wife coz she knows his name..but I thought looking at all the clues;
what if the future Doctor told her his name so she could tell the tenth doc so he'd trust her...that was the only reason. It would follow the pattern coz he wouldn't ususally give a companion a sonic screwdriver but he did coz he knew it would save her eventually.
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Post by clocketpatch on Aug 8, 2008 13:52:17 GMT
I like that dream. Haha, Riversong thinking the Doctor loves herwhen he`s really just trying to prevent a temporal paradox.
Sorry.
She kind of annoyed me. And it was really annoying because it was a really good episode otherwise. ...
I had a dream last night too; aliens put Ace in a giant bowl of mayonaise and then put that bowl on a teacups ride... I have very strange dreams
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Post by ladydetemps on Aug 8, 2008 15:00:18 GMT
I did find her rather annoying. Don't know why.  o-kay....*takes a few steps towards the door* |
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Post by Kit on Aug 8, 2008 15:13:23 GMT
She annoyed me, too. Which is weird 'cos I've liked all the other one-off characters of Moffat's. But I like your theory. It shall become my personal canon.
=O I had a dream last night, too! Three was hosting a cooking show in my kitchen.
...I've no idea why.
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Post by clocketpatch on Aug 8, 2008 15:17:01 GMT
=O I had a dream last night, too! Three was hosting a cooking show in my kitchen. Four lands in your bedroom, Three hosts cooking shows from your kitchen *sulks* and all I get is Ace in a giant bowl of mayo. Some people have all the luck. |
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Post by Clifford on Aug 8, 2008 15:27:55 GMT
The Doctor said something about only being able to tell someone his name at a certain time/given certain circumstances. Have we heard anything about this before?
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Post by Kit on Aug 8, 2008 16:00:43 GMT
...That sentence just made me burst out laughing. xD
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Post by jjpor on Aug 8, 2008 18:24:37 GMT
The Doctor said something about only being able to tell someone his name at a certain time/given certain circumstances. Have we heard anything about this before? Yeah, I wondered about that: presumably it's supposed to be some sort of Gallifreyan marriage/mating ritual, or something...but in that case, Romanadvoratrelundar either just knew she and the Doctor were going to get on really, really, well...or, she was some sort of brazen hussy. I refuse to believe the latter, obviously. And it doesn't take into account all of those Cardinals, Chancellors etc. on Gallifrey going around using their (presumably real) names. Maybe it only applies to relationships with aliens? But how many Time Lords actually have relationships with aliens? Maybe the Doctor's just special. Yes, that's probably it. |
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Post by clocketpatch on Aug 8, 2008 18:44:30 GMT
...And it doesn't take into account all of those Cardinals, Chancellors etc. on Gallifrey going around using their (presumably real) names. Borusa is a brazen hussy  |
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Post by jjpor on Aug 8, 2008 19:10:02 GMT
Borusa is a brazen hussy He looked the type... |
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Post by ladydetemps on Aug 8, 2008 20:45:36 GMT
I think his name just means something embaressing which is why he doesn't like telling people it. Thanks  I also dremt I was a fairy who had to help the buses run on time in London...but I think i've been watching too much local news |
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Post by merrythemad on Oct 21, 2008 20:16:04 GMT
oooh we can have personal canon? (lol) I didn't like river much at first either, honestly. Personally, I'd prefer to have Astrid with him and she WAS just brazen hussy! Seriously though, we have to bear in mind we didn't meet her under the best of circumstances, I imagine she is fun and brilliant and everything poor Reinette never had the chance to show him she was.
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Post by wanderlust on Nov 3, 2008 9:50:35 GMT
Well, I seem to be in the minority.... I actually DID kind of like River. Mostly, I just found her interesting because my curiousity about how she knew the Doctor's real name kept nagging at me. I'm inclined to believe it's the marriage thing only because of the comment about them being an old married couple reminded me quite heavily of foreshadowing. I know someone who made the suggestion that perhaps he can tell people his real name when he's dying but who knows.
I am curious as to the titles, though. I mean the Cardinals and Chancellors and the like didn't go around calling themselves 'The *something*', they just used names. So perhaps you have to do something to get a title such as that? Don't know, but would most certainly like to!
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Post by merrythemad on Nov 3, 2008 15:11:41 GMT
Well, I don't dislike River, she just put me off at first. I'm rather excited to see what happens next. I agree about the marriage bit, though I hadn't thought about the dying, it may just be that as marriage seems so obvious and polarising.
I agree as to the names, and none of the odd explanations I have seen really do much to clarify that, neither do they seem to agree with one another. *scrunches face*
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Post by librarylover on May 8, 2009 1:07:35 GMT
I am getting used to being in the minority, but I like River. I don't think they are married. I don't think Moffat would be that obvious, and he even said himself that it isn't as simple as them being married. I actually have 2 theories, one that I have started to write about, and one kind of outlandish one that I can't decide if I should write about or not. Just in case I do, I'm not telling what it is!
I'm new enough that I get confused about what is canon and what isn't. I read somewhere (could have been a story I suppose) that Prydonians don't believe in sharing their real names outside of their family, which is why he goes by the Doctor, and went by Theta at the academy.
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Post by clocketpatch on May 8, 2009 3:30:16 GMT
Canon is as canon does in DW (really, it's so inconsistent that you just have to pick and choose the bits you like and then find some way to live with the rest)
I've never heard that about the Prydonians, but it would make sense. I think it's Seven who confirmed that his nick-name at the Academy was Theta Sigma.
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Post by Abbyromana on May 8, 2009 4:55:05 GMT
Actually, during the Key to Time Series, last story, another Time Lord first calls Four that name. Canon is as canon does in DW (really, it's so inconsistent that you just have to pick and choose the bits you like and then find some way to live with the rest) I've never heard that about the Prydonians, but it would make sense. I think it's Seven who confirmed that his nick-name at the Academy was Theta Sigma. The thing about canon on any show, but particularly it seems on scifis, is that there is so much contradiction as the universe is expanded into different formats: book, TV, movie, audio, etc. Even within one format, if the show around as long as DW or ST, writers will put points that contradict early ones for various reasons. I'm sure some might be able and have reason enough to include all as well as explaining why they can all exist, but in reality, I suggest as a writer just choose what works for your particular story and as a fan just go with what makes the show most enjoyable for you. In the end, its less of a headache. For example, I'll never believe River and the Doctor are a married couple. Mostly due to the lack of proof outside of innuendo, which could mean anything really when you take an object perspective, and River/Doctor fans declarations. Also, I don't see clear reason why she over all the women and Time Ladies the Doctor has known (and supposedly shown interest in), he'd choose her. I think this was a weakness in Moffat's writing of the episode. There was nothing to clearly show why or what would lead them to being a couple or joining up as a TARDIS team. I don't say this because I don't like River. On the contrary, outside of the storyline, which I didn't like much, she doesn't bother me too much. I think she could be a fascinating character, and I would like to see her expanded on, if possible. However, I would prefer getting to know here first, much like we do with all companions. Because right now, I can't understand why she chose to travel with the Doctor and why the Doctor chose to have her tag along, besides the knowing the future bit. |
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Post by clocketpatch on May 8, 2009 5:49:16 GMT
Because right now, I can't understand why she chose to travel with the Doctor and why the Doctor chose to have her tag along, besides the knowing the future bit. I think that the 'he has travelled with her ergo he must travel with her' factor will run rampant through whatever relationship they end up having. In any case, I'm pretty sure that's the only reason he let Mel tag along for two incarnations (and I *like* Mel, sort of, kind of, but even I know that, well... Mel! ...hmm, one day I shall have to lay out my random theory on how Mel is fail!Donna... but not today). Yes, but, anyway, back on topic, ish, yes: Doctor = Time Lord = knows about timey-wimey stuff = ebil reaper monsters that might just show up if he doesn't? maybe, I don't know = why the hell do I keep punctuating with mathematical notation? The two things that bothered my most about that eppy were: The baddies not leaving because the Doctor had done anything, but simply because he was The Doctor. & River stealing Nine's speech. No one is allowed to steal CE's lines, kay? But, like I said, these things didn't bug me as much on the re-watch, so, meh. It's a clever idea, and though the stories don't shine as much as some of the Moffster's other gems, they're still pretty good in comparison to, oh, say... *picks at random* Boomtown? (which, come to think of it, is another eppy I didn't like at first but loved on re-watch. Apparently I'm just perverse like that...) I have no idea if any of that makes sense, because reading it back to myself, it really, really doesn't. Me thinks I should stop struggling with the crappidy dial-up and go sleepy-poos... |
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Post by Abbyromana on May 8, 2009 14:27:45 GMT
hmm, one day I shall have to lay out my random theory on how Mel is fail!Donna... but not today). Mell is fail!Donna? I don't know if I get that, but I'd interested to hear this theory. River stealing Nine's speech. No one is allowed to steal CE's lines, kay? Is this the end speech? Because I don't get how that's his speech. Just because she said, everyone lives doesn't make it his speech. I have no idea if any of that makes sense, because reading it back to myself, it really, really doesn't. Me thinks I should stop struggling with the crappidy dial-up and go sleepy-poos... *hugz* Yes, please get some rest, CP. Take care of yourself, but to make you feel better, I will say I caught most of your what you said. Perhaps some time soon you can elaborate on some of it. |
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Post by lynda on May 8, 2009 17:42:45 GMT
The baddies not leaving because the Doctor had done anything, but simply because he was The Doctor. They looked him up just like he said, saw the things he was capable of doing, and decided instead of pushing their luck with him they'd give him 24 hours to vacate the planet before they started hunting again. It was a compromise, and it made sense to me, at least. Oh, and my opinion of River being more important than the other companions is: the Doctor generally only has one companion at a time, and for that time period that companion IS the most important person to him. So River is justified in saying that she is so important. At the same time, she's letting her ego get in the way a bit and taking advantage of the fact that the Doctor doesn't know the nature of their relationship to..exagerate things. Oh, and I also want to hear the Mel = fail!Donna theory. Please share. |
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