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Post by greatbriton on Apr 24, 2009 7:49:39 GMT
This may be a stupid question...but I don't know the answer. Why was a Fifth Season not made this year? I would have loved another good season of the Tenth Doctor to give him some good stories to go out on. Instead of prolonging and only getting a couple stories before his regeneration. Why only give him these little specials such as Planet of the Dead? Which was barely longer then a normal episode.
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Post by merrythemad on Apr 24, 2009 15:28:08 GMT
David Tennant wanted time for other projects, such as performing Shakespeare live. It led MANY to assume he was staying on as the Doctor, because why take a season off if he was leaving? I don't believe (as I have seen written elsewhere) that there was any actual trickery or the like going on. I think DT wanted to stay but was afraid of being type-cast and he missed the stage. I think this season is more a trial separation than anything else. Sadly (or happily depending on your pov) they were unable to reach an arrangement that worked for both parties and as such have mutually agreed to dissolve their union (lol meaning DT quit but on good terms with everyone).
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Post by clocketpatch on Apr 24, 2009 17:08:07 GMT
Also, though it hasn't been mentioned explicitly anywhere in the press, the problem's Tennant's been having with Hamlet make me wonder if the decision wasn't health related.
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Post by jjpor on Apr 24, 2009 19:23:58 GMT
Yeah, I think there's probably truth in what both Merry and Clocket have said; certainly, it makes no sense to take a year out to do Hamlet if he wasn't coming back anyway; they could have very easily recast it at the end of Season 4 - so, I don't think he necessarily was definitely leaving at the time that the year out was announced, although it was on the cards for quite some time, so maybe all concerned knew that he might not be coming back, just nothing was finalised until late last year.
It will quite possibly become part of the folklore of fandom in time; I mean, there have been various controversies over motives for various actors leaving the role at various times, a did-he-jump-or-was-he-pushed thing; Hartnell, Pertwee, Baker, T spring to mind. Baker, C was the only one who seems definitely to have been fired (Tommy B was more like what they call constructive dismissal, I think ;D), through no fault of his own; all to do with BBC machinations and Michael Grade's vendetta...
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Post by merrythemad on Apr 24, 2009 19:48:55 GMT
*makes JJ her translator* *nods* yes, quite. what JJ said.
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Post by IMForeman on Apr 24, 2009 19:55:56 GMT
Originally I heard the time-off was to give everyone a break. I seem to remember that it was specifically stated that the decision was not Hamlet-based.
I also think that DT might've just realized that with RTD leaving and a special year of specials that it was a good time to go.
The thing that makes me most sad about not having a Series 5 is that Catherine Tate has said she would have continued, giving us another year of Donna. Sigh.
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Post by greatbriton on Apr 24, 2009 19:57:51 GMT
I do think its a good thing for an actor / show to move on before the character and story gets stale. I think that's kind of what attracts me to Doctor Who. After a while you get a new actor playing The Doctor and a fresh look at it.
That is an interesting point about David Tennant's back problems. Could very well be a deciding factor in his leaving Doctor Who. It seems to be a very physically demanding show to work on.
Its just in my opinion, this year off with a few specials doesn't quite give a fun and great end to the Tenth Doctor. But I guess it couldn't be helped.
To keep this on topic. Does anybody think The Doctor would have been better off searching for that Wormhole on foot instead of hopping onto a bus? Thinking about the special, I found it weird that he would get on public transportation in hopes of tracking something.
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Post by clocketpatch on Apr 24, 2009 19:58:00 GMT
(Tommy B was more like what they call constructive dismissal, I think ;D) For some reason that made me fall about laughing.
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Post by clocketpatch on Apr 24, 2009 19:59:57 GMT
To keep this on topic. Does anybody think The Doctor would have been better off searching for that Wormhole on foot instead of hopping onto a bus? Thinking about the special, I found it weird that he would get on public transportation in hopes of tracking something. Shhh, don't look in the plot holes! There be Daleks!
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Post by greatbriton on Apr 24, 2009 20:08:39 GMT
But shouldn't we find those sneaky Daleks and sort them out?
ooh Planet of the Dead. *pets* You were one big plot hole, weren't you?
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Post by jjpor on Apr 24, 2009 20:15:11 GMT
But shouldn't we find those sneaky Daleks and sort them out? ooh Planet of the Dead. *pets* You were one big plot hole, weren't you? Pretty much, actually, but it had charm, and charm counts for a lot. ;D
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Post by Stripes on Apr 24, 2009 21:48:07 GMT
I thought the wormhole was the thing they went through.
You know, I don't notice these plot holes than you guys point it out and well DW kind of gets ruined for me. A child doesn't see these plot holes, they see a man full of life, traveling and doing good. That is what I see too. Not plot holes, bad writing, angst and all that stuff you complain about. I think everyone should really try watching this show in a different view, maybe with kids. I also think many DW fans have high expectations for a really bad show. The worst fans are the ones who have been watching as a kid. I wish they would sat back and go "Did I notice these things when I was a kid? What did I love about this show?"
I AM GETTING SO SICK OF THE BASHING! THIS FANDOM IS TOO NEGATIVE!
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Post by greatbriton on Apr 24, 2009 21:59:42 GMT
I don't know. I'm able to see plot holes and still enjoy a show. Especially in a fun show like Doctor Who, plot holes don't really bother me. I just think they're amusing.
I didn't mean to bring it up as a negative thing. I like to bring things like that up to start a discussion. And maybe someone can come up with an idea as to why such plot holes aren't plot holes but reasonable things.
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Post by clocketpatch on Apr 24, 2009 22:58:58 GMT
But I like complaining... even when I love it really. I think it comes from the way I watch TV, not just DW, but TV and movies in general; usually I'll have my friends with and we'll sit there picking out plotholes and getting into random discussions and shouting stuff at the TV Mystery Science Theatre style, and we have a grand ol' time doing it; it's not that we're taking it seriously, more like we're just being totally irrelevant. I'm perfectly aware that DW is a 'kid' show, and that it has issues, and for the most part those issues and plot holes are just part of the charm.
Except for Handjob Doc's snog fest followed by angst, that I reserve all right to rant about. lol. because it actually really grossed me out. (hide behind the sofa! oh noes! kissing just weirds me out in general...)
POTD was absolutely awesome though, plotholes and all, I loved it to bits, because it was just an amusing romp that wasn't trying to take itself too seriously. And, much as I rant, for the most part, I think that the production team for DW do a VERY good job, and I hope that they never hear or heed half of the hairbrained schemes I throw at the internets, because, yeah.. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jjpor on Apr 25, 2009 11:51:37 GMT
Yeah, I think sometimes the little daft bits and inconsistencies add to the enjoyment of the show; I mean, some of the stories that are my very favourites are full of them and I still love them. I think Who fandom is healthier in that way than some others *cough*Trek*cough*, in that it can acknowledge the failings of the show and do so in a humorous, affectionate sort of way. Now, we don't like to see the sort of venom that some forums pour on particular stories, as they sometimes do, but I think a bit of leg-pulling and joking around is all in good fun and there's nothing wrong with it.
Apart from Journey's End - now _that_ was bad... ;D
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Post by merrythemad on Apr 25, 2009 13:48:42 GMT
You, know, when I first joined here, I had only seen Journey's End once, and I did enjoy (c'mon all of you did too even if it was through grimaces) and I failed to realise the larger plot holes I was so darned hung on on the sexist plot hole, Scary!handDoc (i.e. the Valeyard) would be fine as both a human and a timelord but poor Donna would go mad, oh bite me, RTD! That being said, I quite disagree that we are a negative fandom, we could become that way, but look, a negative fandom would not have accepted DT in any manner because he took the series back to mainstream. It had been, until then, a largely underground geekdom (at least for sure in this part of the world), so a more negative fandom would have had a knee-jerk wtf reaction to the mainstreaming. At least tis what I think but I'm not all the way awake yet so bear that in mind. Also *pipes up vociferously in favour of DbAers* tis not fair to call us personally negative. I'm sorry they ruined an episode, Newton, but the people (ALL of you) I have met on this board have been fantastic and insightful, and they definitely poke fun at their fandom with absolute love. Also,in my limited internet experience, so far as embittered fans go, whovians have nothing on harry potterheads.
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Post by Stripes on Apr 25, 2009 18:30:52 GMT
Also *pipes up vociferously in favour of DbAers* tis not fair to call us personally negative. I'm sorry they ruined an episode, Newton, but the people (ALL of you) I have met on this board have been fantastic and insightful, and they definitely poke fun at their fandom with absolute love. Also,in my limited Internet experience, so far as embittered fans go, whovians have nothing on harry potterheads. I am not attacking DBA, I am attacking this fandom. Everyone loves to attack NewWho and I am sick of it. I stop going on DW forum on livejounral because they were so negative towards RTD. Oh and it is not one episode, it is EVERY episode people pick on. I have my episodes that I dislike and other people should too. But EVERY episode, complain, complain, complain, about plot holes and such I NEVER even noticed and most of time DON'T CARE. I think people just need to relax and stop caring about such little details. That is why I say they should watch with kids. It will make you look at in a different light. What bothers me most is that people love to bash RTD. I mean LOVE and it seems to be cool in this fandom to do so. that really make me angry. He puts alot of work in this show and everyone just attacks him. I would love to see someone actually go up to him and be like "Hey RTD, this is what I don't like what you did with WHO." no one does, everyone just hides behind their computers. I LIKE HIS EPISODES AND I REALLY ENJOYED JOURNEYS END! There I said it.
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Post by greatbriton on Apr 25, 2009 18:44:24 GMT
Everyone loves to attack NewWho and I am sick of it. I stop going on DW forum on livejounral because they were so negative towards RTD. I LIKE HIS EPISODES AND I REALLY ENJOYED JOURNEYS END! I agree that it seems there is some hostility toward RTD and his handling of Doctor Who. I don't know why. But then I'm new to DW and it was RTD's NuWho that hooked me. I found Journey's End to be a very crazy thing. Because even while watching it and when writing my comments on it afterward it struck me as so chaotic and it does have its problems. But even when pointing them out they never really bothered me. I had such a fantastically fun time watching Journey's End that I didn't really care about the problems that even I saw with it. Which is the same for PotD for the most part. Its not perfect but that's part of its charm, as someone wrote above. The problems are more endearing then irritating. I agree, more people need to just sit back and enjoy the show. But picking apart and going over an episode is part of the entertainment I get from watching shows, and in my opinion, doesn't mean I disliked it or have a problem with the people who made it. Unless I strictly say otherwise. And it doesn't necessarily mean another person who picks apart an episode disliked it either.
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Post by clocketpatch on Apr 25, 2009 19:16:02 GMT
What bothers me most is that people love to bash RTD. I mean LOVE and it seems to be cool in this fandom to do so. that really make me angry. He puts alot of work in this show and everyone just attacks him. I would love to see someone actually go up to him and be like "Hey RTD, this is what I don't like what you did with WHO." no one does, everyone just hides behind their computers. I LIKE HIS EPISODES AND I REALLY ENJOYED JOURNEYS END! There I said it. *raises hand* I'm guilty as charged on the count, and at the end of the day I'm not sure why I do it, because if it weren't for RTD and is enduring love to the fandom I wouldn't be here chatting with you fine people. I guess it's the fickleness of fandom, or life, or something, wherein you don't truly appreciate something until it's gone. I watched a bunch of RTD who last night and found myself really, really enjoying it; even episodes I'd disliked on the first run through. Now that the end draws near I'm liking RTD and DT more and more, which is fickle I suppose, but there have you, I be fickle, a complainer, and oft prone to being mean from behind the safety of my laptop screen, alas. But I do love you RTD, and even if I didn't like JE (well, some parts of it were priceless) I'd rather an entire season of JE-type episodes than no Who at all. Anyway, to bring it back to the subject at hand (and Newton is so going to swat me for this, but it's all in good fun really, I STILL love the episode) I realised another plothole last night: Why didn't UNIT just tip the TARDIS through the wormhole? Discuss.
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Post by greatbriton on Apr 25, 2009 19:33:47 GMT
I realised another plothole last night: Why didn't UNIT just tip the TARDIS through the wormhole? Discuss. My boyfriend pointed that one out to me when we watched it the first time. I was thinking maybe because the TARDIS didn't get there until they had just made it back through the wormhole? Which would have been a little too late for it to be of use to anybody.
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