kirkg
Auton Daisy
"Hello, Sweetie!"
Posts: 442
|
Post by kirkg on Jun 8, 2011 15:33:27 GMT
Ok, back in the day, they used to say "Clapton is God"... but I guess I'm dating myself by stealing a line.
So, whether you love his work or hate him, you half to admit that Moffat has vision and intricate plotting.
I've stumbled upon "Blink", "Girl in the Fireplace", the story "Blink" was based upon, and of course, Seasons Five and now Six...
Is there an "essential Moffat" thread or list of all episodes that he's written?
And where should I go to discuss some of his older work without boring you current fans to tears? Is there a special catagory or discussing writers? (Hint, hint)
|
|
eve11
UNIT Red Shirt
Posts: 70
|
Post by eve11 on Jun 8, 2011 21:46:22 GMT
The episodes he's written:
The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances Girl in the Fireplace Blink Silence in the LIbrary/Forest of the Dead
Then in eleven's run: The Eleventh Hour The Beast Below Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon A Good Man Goes to War
He also wrote the spoof "Curse of Fatal Death" with Rowan Atkinson, and a short story with Benny and Seven called "Continuity Errors"
|
|
|
Post by clocketpatch on Jun 8, 2011 21:58:07 GMT
I believe that Blink is also based on a short story or a comic.
|
|
|
Post by Maggadin on Jun 8, 2011 23:24:28 GMT
IDK, I think he's just good at giving the illusion of intricate plotting. I suspect he also makes a lot of stuff up as he goes along. Nothing wrong with that, but some people sort of hold him up to Mastermind level, which I really disagree with. ;D
|
|
|
Post by IMForeman on Jun 9, 2011 3:39:17 GMT
Apparently he also contributed a short story for the anthology Bernice Summerfield and the Dead Men Diaries. I've been getting into some of the Benny stuff recently, so I was interested to find that out. I ordered the book, hasn't arrived yet though...
|
|
|
Post by jjpor on Jun 9, 2011 22:06:34 GMT
IDK, I think he's just good at giving the illusion of intricate plotting. I suspect he also makes a lot of stuff up as he goes along. Nothing wrong with that, but some people sort of hold him up to Mastermind level, which I really disagree with. ;D Let's be honest, though, if Moffat started juggling chainsaws in Trafalgar square while riding a unicycle backwards through burning hoops and playing the Internationale on a pair of tin whistles jammed up his nose...you'd still say he was just showing off... ;D
|
|
|
Post by Maggadin on Jun 9, 2011 23:59:30 GMT
Well, what other reason would somebody have for doing that except showing off?
Yes, yes, I know, I'm an intellectually inferior knuckle-dragger who doesn't understand True Genius.
|
|
|
Post by primsong on Jun 10, 2011 15:43:06 GMT
I would love to see someone good at fanart illustrate the Moff doing something like that. :-D
|
|
leamichelle
Code/Graphics Moderator
Of the Cult of the Chicken of Rassilon (thanks LL!)
Posts: 157
|
Post by leamichelle on Jun 10, 2011 23:33:39 GMT
and playing the Internationale on a pair of tin whistles jammed up his nose I don't know. If Moffat played the nose flute, even, I'd fangirl him pretty hard. Tin whistles, not so sure. I would give him credit for his vision, but I don't see tin whistles contributing to the obvious intricacy of the nostril virtuoso plotline.
|
|
|
Post by Maggadin on Jun 10, 2011 23:47:03 GMT
Well, I'm notoriously hard to impress, as JJ would be able to tell you.
|
|
|
Post by jjpor on Jun 10, 2011 23:47:11 GMT
Well, exactly - the tin whistles are what the viewers will least expect... But yes, Primsong - me too. Good to see you back around here, btw. And of course, if he did take up such activities, it would give him something to fall back on if this telly-writing thing doesn't work out... No offence meant, Maggadin - just a bit of ribbing/kidding/joshing whatever - you can tell when I mean offence, 'cause I use this terrifying smiley here: D:< ;D
|
|
|
Post by Maggadin on Jun 10, 2011 23:52:45 GMT
Sure, but why else would someone do something like that if not for the attention? Unless it was for charity... ;D Ah, you know, I'm quite used to being The Dumb One.
|
|
kirkg
Auton Daisy
"Hello, Sweetie!"
Posts: 442
|
Post by kirkg on Jun 12, 2011 5:16:25 GMT
The episodes he's written: He also wrote the spoof "Curse of Fatal Death" with Rowan Atkinson, and a short story with Benny and Seven called "Continuity Errors" ok, I gotta go find me a copy of those. where do you suggest that I look? I've heard of Continuity Errors, but thought it was out of print. Any help, luv?
|
|
kirkg
Auton Daisy
"Hello, Sweetie!"
Posts: 442
|
Post by kirkg on Jun 12, 2011 5:19:02 GMT
I believe that Blink is also based on a short story or a comic. Close--- It's a short story that has been illustrated with comic book style graphics but not completely. You can find it linked in the BBC website. Search for "How I spent my Christmas Holiday" I believe, or something very similar to that. I know there's a link in the wikipedia entry for "Blink" if you go look for it. It's definitely worth making the effort to go find it. Very unique and enjoyable. You'll be glad you did. Trust me. Trust the doctor.
|
|
|
Post by aquabluejay on Jun 12, 2011 16:19:56 GMT
I would love to see someone good at fanart illustrate the Moff doing something like that. :-D I like how the writers are now a part of the fandom. There are actually fanfics centered around them and everything. I don't think I've ever seen another fandom with that kind of thing going on before.
|
|
|
Post by clocketpatch on Jun 12, 2011 16:27:14 GMT
Check out the Whedon-verse...
Granted, they just sort of go after Whedon instead of, well, everyone. RPF *shudders* is rampant in the fandoms.
Still, Who is the only fandom I've experienced where writers and directors from twenty years past are so well known, and everyone knows who's doing the music at any given time. It's nice, really, that it doesn't focus so much on the actors, but spreads out to include all of the many, many people needed to bring something as huge as a TV show to life.
|
|
|
Post by jjpor on Jun 12, 2011 22:07:05 GMT
Yeah, and I think it's a healthier thing than the "cult of the creator" that a lot of genre shows fall into. I think it has a lot to do with the cultural difference between the 60s-70s BBC and American network television. Joss Whedon seems pretty cool (although not everyone agrees on that), certainly I have no problem with him, but it can be said that Gene Roddenberry was something of a millstone hanging around Trek's neck in the early-mid 80s, treated as a prophet by many fans, when in reality TNG only picked up in quality when he was no longer directly in charge of it. Same with Chris Carter, more recently - while I loved The X-Files deeply and still do, if ever there was example of a showrunner who really was the emperor with no clothes, it was Carter. Quite blindingly obviously just making up the show's big conspiracy-arc as he went along, adding more and more narrative twists to cover up the fact that he didn't know how to end it. I believe the series Lost (whose creator's name escapes me - was it JJ Abrams of Trek reboot etc etc fame?) was much the same, although I never watched it. Moffat get accused of that sometimes, but I don't think it's wholly fair - it remains to be seen though whether he will wrap up all his threads in a way that's ultimately more satisfying than Bad Wolf was...
But yes, there is a creeping tendency the way NuWho has been run for the same sort of thing to happen, first with Rusty and then with Moffat. I've had kind words for the latter and more than occasional criticisms for the former, but I hope I never fall into being a worshipper, because I don't think that kind of mindset is good for the longterm health of a fandom or a show.
But yes, Sidney Newman, Verity Lambert, Delia Derbyshire, Barry Letts, St Bob Holmes, Philip Hincliffe, Graham Williams, Dudley Simpson, Uncle Terry Dicks, Douglas Adams JNT, god love him... Andrew Cartmel, even you, Eric Saward, just for Revelation - and those are just the first ones who spring to mind immediately. They made heroes in those days... *gazes wistfully into the distance*
|
|
kirkg
Auton Daisy
"Hello, Sweetie!"
Posts: 442
|
Post by kirkg on Jun 13, 2011 3:36:52 GMT
Oh, there have been fandom following creators in the field of comics for a while now.... remember the huge explosion in the fame of the X-men back in the 1980s... when the new Uncanny X-men team was introduced...and then grew dramatically when John Byrne came on board along with Chris Claremont writing?
Many of the great story arcs in Fantastic four, Hulk, Daredevil, Criminal, Teen Titans, Batman, Wolverine, superman, SHEILD, X-men and Avengers and others have been attributed to specific writers/artists...and so fans follow them from title to title.
PS: Did I mention that I found lots of reviews of "Continuity Errors" on line, and despite some of the negative reviews of the book "Decalog 3", I ordered a copy of it from Amazon last night.
The family and I watched "Dr. Who: A Christmas Carol" just now and really enjoyed it. I have a new screen saver. Can you guess what it is?
|
|
|
Post by aquabluejay on Jun 13, 2011 4:50:54 GMT
Dad, you need a flying shark.
I don't care if you like what you have. I'm getting you one.
|
|
|
Post by Maggadin on Jun 13, 2011 10:02:56 GMT
Yes, but unlike Roddenberry, Abrams and Carter, Moffat or RTD did not actually create Doctor Who (although the way people go on about them you could easily be fooled), so it's less ''cult of the creator'' than cult-of-current-show-runner.
|
|