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Post by Kit on Mar 18, 2008 3:10:07 GMT
Yes, more of my commentary. I find this all immensely entertaining.
xD I love how Leela's a pro at operating the TARDIS now.
'We've stopped!' 'Affirmative' 'We've stopped dead!' 'Negative dead'. Gotta love K-9.
The Doctor was painting... with a huge enormous paint brush.
-black screen- ''That's intensely interesting'
'...just nothing!' 'Nothing?' 'Nothing.' 'Nothing!' xD
'...we'd be the first intelligent and semi-intelligent...' Oh, burn.
'We are not alone.' Listen to K-9 for once. Ah, so RTD is still just recycling old Who stuff.
'Shut up, K-9, shut up! 'Doctor!' 'I can tell him to shut up is I want to!' 'No, no, no, look!' Aw, the Doctor's so mean to K-9.
xD Funny costumes, as always.
'Made in Minyos' xD
'How did you get here?' 'Hmm? Well, through the door.'
o-o WTF did they do to Leela?
Hehe. Leela going back to normal is quite entertaining. 'Who did it? I'll kill them!'
xD Doctor says hold tight and Leela clings to his scarf.
(I've no idea what's going on plot-wise, just to let you know.)
'The quest is the quest.' ...lolwhut?
xD Love how Four and Leela walk away, then turn around at the same time and follow.
'Shall we go?' 'Shh! Shall we go?'
'Did I ever tell you about the time I went to Aberdeen?' xD ...Hmm. Wondering if he knew he was dropping Sarah off there after all.
The greenscreen. It's overwhelming. Fairly convincing, though. Compared to past greenscreens. Four's hair isn't completely choppy.
'...smoke us out like badgers' Erm. Is that even a phrase?
Leela: Yay, blood! Doctor: -flinches- Right, I'm exaggerating just a tiny bit.
...Leela needs to get out of the habit of attacking the first person she sees.
xD Leela's all smug that she's smarter than Skinny Hurt Bloke (I can never remember their names. So this is what I shall call him from now on.)
Hehe. K-9 gets his own special tunnel music.
xD Floating lift music!
'Lamp burn. Sword fall. Ask the question that hangs over all.' xD WTF?
xD They can't pick up... whatshisname.
'Did I ever tell you about the time I went to Blackpool?' That was really very random, Doctor.
=D K-9 to save the day!
Well, that was rather enjoyable. Though I didn't follow the plot at all. Special effects were fairly good for Doctor Who (and the time).
Now I've seen all of Four's serials through to City of Death. Aw, now I can't put off the late Four serials. Bugger. (Yeah, not a fan of JNT.)
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Post by magnusgreel on Mar 20, 2008 9:10:55 GMT
I liked this:
'How did you get here?' 'Hmm? Well, through the door.' 'He's one of them!!'
I think that's what the young hothead said... it's been awhile. It always sounds to me as if the guy could tell he was a Time Lord because of the bad joke....!
"Can he paint?"-- The Dr about K9. I always say, Can you? Painting just seems to be the Dr's wacky pastime of the week...
I'll try this again later. These aren't good remarks.
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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 20, 2008 12:15:15 GMT
(I've no idea what's going on plot-wise, just to let you know.)
***
As far as I remember there WAS no plot... just something vaguely Greek mythology and a whole bunch of random.
Kind of like Nimons. (I want the episode to come up again; it's such fun)
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Post by Kit on Mar 20, 2008 13:12:01 GMT
Oh, good. It wasn't just me then.
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Post by magnusgreel on Mar 22, 2008 8:52:04 GMT
Plot:
Two ships set out to resettle their people on another planet. One has their "race bank", genetic information and/or samples from which to grow their new people. This is expected to take forever, so they extend their lives through regeneration. The ships become separated. One enters one of those great big clouds of matter that solar systems (like ours) solidify from. Since that ship was the biggest "rock" around, its gravity pulled more and more smaller rocks toward it and the ship ended up at the center of a new planet. The people on that ship settled the interior of the planet and developed a nasty society where most people were slaves.
The crew on the other ship had an exceptionally vigorous work ethic, and kept trying to make contact with the other ship, and followed it into the soft proto-planet. They decided not to fool with the planet's "government" and just take the genetic information and/or genetic samples (to clone from). The planet's ship's computer won't give the Race Bank up and gives the other guys nuclear bombs instead.
That gets straightened out, and the bombs explode on the planet, propelling the ship the Doctor's on we;ll awat from the mushy planet to safety. Doctor and Leela go away.
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Post by Abbyromana on Mar 23, 2008 18:31:20 GMT
I disagree. There definitely was a plot.
In fact historical plot was rampted in this story, particularly involving the Time Lords and a very good reason why they don't get involved with less advanced races.
The Time Lords intervened to help a people calle the Minyans, but the Minyans only used the technology to fight amongst themselves and they kicked out the Time Lords. The negative reaction of it and the fact that the race destroyed themselves. But in truth some survived and are searching for a legendary and early space ship that was sent out for exploration. It contained the genetic data banks of the Minyans. Because the current and remaining Minyans are lost genetic diversity they need that ship.
But what they find is that the ship has been pulled into a singularity that had instead made the ship into the core of a development planet. The genetic data has been used to grew a new version of the Minyan people who have been enslaved.
It's a brilliant episode. I'm often reminded of the early Fourth Doctor episodes as well as the few of the Second Doctor episodes I've been lucky enough to see.
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Post by magnusgreel on Mar 25, 2008 6:45:56 GMT
I'll just add to that that a singularity is a black hole, and no one would have survived inside one of those. This was just a normal mass of rock and metal (metal being the ship) that was attracting more rock simply because all matter has gravity.
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Post by Abbyromana on Mar 26, 2008 15:18:28 GMT
While it is true according to Earth knowledge of the forces of a blackhole, nothing can survive within it, that is technologically not a complete fact of science. First, the human race has never actually physically studied a blackhole and really only has been able to theorize about it's properties and what happens to matter within it. I'm not saying it isn't true, but until we've actually been able to either recreate or experiment on a blackhole, it's still one mystery the universe has. Second, since the Minyans did get knowledge and technology from the Time Lords, who had loads of experience with blackholes, it is quite possible even their ships would have been modeled and designed in such a way to survive entry into a blackhole. I'll just add to that that a singularity is a black hole, and no one would have survived inside one of those. This was just a normal mass of rock and metal (metal being the ship) that was attracting more rock simply because all matter has gravity.
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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 26, 2008 19:21:33 GMT
Omega can survive in a black hole, but it makes him crazy. I should do a commentary for one of those episodes... probably not the Three Doctors because I watched it a few weeks ago. Best lines: Three - aren't you going to say it's bigger on the inside? everyone else does. Benton - I should thinkg that rather bvious sir Benton in the Tardis = love Two: You've been redecorating hmmm? I don't like it. (Fivey: you've changed the desktop theme haven't you XP) One: So you're my replacements hmm? A dandy and a clown! The special effects are FANTASTIC (lol), and so is the music (double lol), and the plot ( ... ) And there is a very cool fight scene.
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Post by magnusgreel on Mar 27, 2008 3:01:15 GMT
AR--- True, we don't know that much about black holes yet, but nothing like that is involved here. As the Doctor explained, it's simply gravity... not extreme, overwhelming gravity that forms singularities, but ordinary everyday gravity. Less massive objects are attracted to more massive objects. Just rocks sticking to other rocks. That's how our Earth and our solar system formed, and it's how all planets form. Planets don't form around black holes... they are sucked into black holes.
Remember, the Minyan ship the Dr was in was attracting rocks, and the Minyan ship wasn't a black hole. The Doctor really did explain. That ship was just the biggest "rock" in the immediate vicinity, so it attracted the lighter rocks. That's what happened to the other ship too, except that it had been attracting rocks for thousands of years, so that led to a planet.
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Post by Abbyromana on Mar 28, 2008 1:46:05 GMT
I understand that the ship isn't the blackhole. In fact, I truly like most of your summary of the episode. My explanation of the blackhole was your comment relating the singularity to that of a blackhole, which technically isn't a blackhole. It is what is believed to exist at the center of blackholes and led to the beginning of the universe. I also believe some scientists have theorized about other types of singularities. It is quite obvious that the gravitation reaction occuring with the ship is very different from that of a blackhole. It is the basic idea of all matter in the universe and on Earth. So to be honest I'm confused why in one post you point out that the singularity is a blackhole, while in another you say the ship doesn't react like a blackhole. What are you getting at with this back and forth? I just want to make sure I understand why you're trying to say. AR--- True, we don't know that much about black holes yet, but nothing like that is involved here. As the Doctor explained, it's simply gravity... not extreme, overwhelming gravity that forms singularities, but ordinary everyday gravity. Less massive objects are attracted to more massive objects. Just rocks sticking to other rocks. That's how our Earth and our solar system formed, and it's how all planets form. Planets don't form around black holes... they are sucked into black holes. Remember, the Minyan ship the Dr was in was attracting rocks, and the Minyan ship wasn't a black hole. The Doctor really did explain. That ship was just the biggest "rock" in the immediate vicinity, so it attracted the lighter rocks. That's what happened to the other ship too, except that it had been attracting rocks for thousands of years, so that led to a planet.
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Post by magnusgreel on Mar 28, 2008 5:22:15 GMT
I don't know about other kinds of singularities besides black holes. All I ever meant to say was that neither one is involved here. Simple, ordinary gravity is enough to explain it all, and the Doctor said that that was what it was.
You seemed to think that all that accumulation of rock forming the planet, all that gravity, was due to a singularity. I meant that if you explain that with a singularity, then the other ship which the Dr is on, which is also attracting rocks, would have to have a "singularity" too (to be consistent) which it obviously doesn't.
I've said all I can say, and I can't keep this kind of thing up.
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Post by Abbyromana on Mar 28, 2008 16:31:19 GMT
I, by no means, meant to upset you or irritate you, magnusgreel. I just wanted to make sure I understood your explanation. I'm glad to see a fellow DW fan whose familiar with the astronomical terminology and concepts that come up or are messed up in science ficiton. Also I wasn't meaning to suggest that the ship was the center of the signualarity, but it was reacting to it. I recall from the episode that the space around them as they approached the planet that had formed around the ship with the genetic database on it, was unusual. And I recall it seeming to be connected with an anomally or signalarity in that region of space. I'll have to go back and watch it to be absolutely certain on what was the problem, but I remember even the Doctor was bothered by it. Again, I'm sorry if you thought I was trying to put you down, because I really wasn't. I don't know about other kinds of singularities besides black holes. All I ever meant to say was that neither one is involved here. Simple, ordinary gravity is enough to explain it all, and the Doctor said that that was what it was. You seemed to think that all that accumulation of rock forming the planet, all that gravity, was due to a singularity. I meant that if you explain that with a singularity, then the other ship which the Dr is on, which is also attracting rocks, would have to have a "singularity" too (to be consistent) which it obviously doesn't. I've said all I can say, and I can't keep this kind of thing up.
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Post by Kit on Mar 29, 2008 16:26:24 GMT
In the true spirit of this forum, I'm straying off topic.
And they get really simple things wrong, too! Just go look at my post for Enlightenment. And! In Revenge of the Cybermen, when the Cybermen have Four tie up Sarah, he said he tied it with a 'turks head eye splice'. Which, aside from being a rather fancy loop in a line, would take a very long time to tie and would not help in untying. In fact, I don't think it's even possible to tie anything with that. Actually, it may not even be possible to tie at all.
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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 29, 2008 21:46:46 GMT
"In fact, I don't think it's even possible to tie anything with that. Actually, it may not even be possible to tie at all. "
which is precisely why the Doctor used it. XDD
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Post by magnusgreel on Jul 11, 2008 3:50:15 GMT
AR-- I'm not sure why you thought there was some personal offence involved, but please don't worry about that. When I said I couldn't keep this kind of thing up, I meant that my eyes and concentration wouldn't let me.
I'd be interested to hear about it if you find that Underworld remark, if I understood you correctly.
Kim-- I think that business with the knot would count as a bit of history or "color" or something, whereas what bothers me are the more technical mistakes (or things that are just made up when they didn't need to be) that actually undermine the plot somewhat. As for the knot, I like the fact that that kind of detail is in there at all (I never noticed), and maybe Tom got it wrong intentionally. In Robots of Death he intentionally mis-credited a quote to Gertrude Stein, I think, when he knew it was someone else.... Kipling? That amuses him, I guess.
"Be thankful you're living, and trust to your luck, and march to your front like a soldier." I'm quoting it here just because I was a bit amazed that I could remember it verbatim. Besides, I like it. I might Google.
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Post by Kit on Jul 11, 2008 4:08:55 GMT
Well, it depends on how you see things, really. You lot were going on about science because it's something you know about and it's amusing to find inaccuracies in a programme we love so much. I know what a turks head knot is and what an eye splice is, and I've never heard of them being combined. I don't think it was on purpose; it was just like the technobabble they always use, only they used nautical things that I actually understood. In the context of the story, it wouldn't have done anything useful. It's the same thing, but from different perspectives. =D
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Post by magnusgreel on Jul 15, 2008 8:41:08 GMT
I'd like lots of interesting detail on all sorts of subjects, and it's better to get it right, I agree. The science stuff is more interesting if I don't know much about what they're saying, but they get across the logic of it quickly and efficiently so that I can understand. I like to be impressed by the Doctor because he's actually saying clever and interesting things, as opposed to the other characters just acting as if he is. That's like getting a present for me.
One great thing about classic Who was that I would keep picking up on more interesting detail every time I watched. I think I've finally squeezed everything out of those stories by now, but I kept finding more in them for many years.
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