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Post by Stripes on Apr 17, 2010 18:54:34 GMT
Right. So I got my hands on it. I have some ideas on how to get it you all, so PM ME! The rules apply, however I am interested in knowing how many people watch the episode on the night that it airs. Maybe whiting our text is not needed. So fill out the poll that i about to add.  For now, white out your text and enjoy! |
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Post by timeywimeyding on Apr 17, 2010 19:02:08 GMT
Well, that was fun. A good plotline, and I'm glad that the Daleks didn't get completely wiped out this time - makes a change from the RTD years. I do wish Amy had been given a bit more to do though. Also, looks like the crack in the wall will become this series' story arc - maybe connected to the pandorica opening or something like that. Only time will tell.
And I never thought I'd ever hear a Dalek utter the words "can I offer you some tea?" ;D
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Post by Stripes on Apr 17, 2010 19:04:07 GMT
Ah crap, I was going change this threadinto a "lets talk about white text" and make a new thread for the epsiode. You beat me to it timey. Oh well. Sloppy Newton is very very sloppy.
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Post by Stripes on Apr 17, 2010 21:26:51 GMT
I didn't really this. It was boring. :/
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Post by johne on Apr 17, 2010 21:33:15 GMT
]I think it was rushed; they tried to squeeze the equivalent of Power of the Daleks into the first twelve minutes, for starters. And the new-look Daleks.. they look OK from the front, but side-on they've got bustles. Seriously. What is up with that?
One effect of the pacing was that Amy ended up sidelined for most of the story; as did the Doctor, during the lengthy introduction-of-the-new-range-of-Dalek-merchandise sequence. [
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Post by librarylover on Apr 18, 2010 0:18:16 GMT
I just watched it, thanks to Newton!
** I thought Ian McNeice was pretty good as Churchill. I agree with Johne, it did feel a bit rushed, like they really needed to make it a two-parter, to flesh out the story a bit more. It's interesting that Amy doesn't remember the Dalek attack on Earth. Another clue to the big, season-spanning mystery!
Anyway, as far as things written by Mark Gatiss go, I liked it better than The Idiot's Lantern. I'm not sure how I would rank it against The Unquiet Dead yet. I'll have to watch it again.
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Post by clocketpatch on Apr 18, 2010 0:32:28 GMT
I'm voting for the white text just because I'm running off in a week and a bit... well, if that volcano simmers down anyway.
Also, thank you Newton for being awesome.
Unfortunately, this episode... it had so much potential for awesome, but it didn't feel like Who to me. It felt like one big advertisement. like LOOK AT THESE NEW THINGS YOU CAN BUY!!! And when advertising seeps into the show proper, that sucks. Also, I don't understand any of the logic for anything.
Like, the bomb man, what was that? How did thinking good thoughts diffuse the bomb? Did they REALLY have to have Amy... gawd, that was awkward, and I face-palmed like twenty billion times.
I did like Eleven freaking out on the Dalek though; that was AWESOME. Also, the continuing plotline with the crack and time being out of joint. If Journey's End never happened, then where are these Daleks from? Are these from Satellite 5 or Canary Wharf or what? Are the Time Lords kicking around somewhere? What is going on??!
River next week.
I want to play the new download adventure game. It looks like they're going to be tying it in with the episode arc. This rocks.
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Post by Maggadin on Apr 18, 2010 0:37:08 GMT
Lemme guess: Eleven was beside himself with admiration for Churchill and never critised him for anything except for employing the Daleks?
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Post by greatbriton on Apr 18, 2010 0:45:40 GMT
*[white]"Would you care for some TEAAA?"
This episode was not as good as I was hoping. I agree with the assessment that it felt rushed. But Rainbow Daleks... fun! Right?
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Post by Stripes on Apr 18, 2010 0:47:09 GMT
I'm voting for the white text just because I'm running off in a week and a bit... well, if that volcano simmers down anyway. Also, thank you Newton for being awesome. Unfortunately, this episode... it had so much potential for awesome, but it didn't feel like Who to me. It felt like one big advertisement. like LOOK AT THESE NEW THINGS YOU CAN BUY!!! And when advertising seeps into the show proper, that sucks. Also, I don't understand any of the logic for anything.
Like, the bomb man, what was that? How did thinking good thoughts diffuse the bomb? Did they REALLY have to have Amy... gawd, that was awkward, and I face-palmed like twenty billion times.
I did like Eleven freaking out on the Dalek though; that was AWESOME. Also, the continuing plotline with the crack and time being out of joint. If Journey's End never happened, then where are these Daleks from? Are these from Satellite 5 or Canary Wharf or what? Are the Time Lords kicking around somewhere? What is going on??!
River next week.
I want to play the new download adventure game. It looks like they're going to be tying it in with the episode arc. This rocks. ** I don't think ami is from this era.*** |
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Post by clocketpatch on Apr 18, 2010 0:58:14 GMT
I'm voting for the white text just because I'm running off in a week and a bit... well, if that volcano simmers down anyway. Also, thank you Newton for being awesome. Unfortunately, this episode... it had so much potential for awesome, but it didn't feel like Who to me. It felt like one big advertisement. like LOOK AT THESE NEW THINGS YOU CAN BUY!!! And when advertising seeps into the show proper, that sucks. Also, I don't understand any of the logic for anything.
Like, the bomb man, what was that? How did thinking good thoughts diffuse the bomb? Did they REALLY have to have Amy... gawd, that was awkward, and I face-palmed like twenty billion times.
I did like Eleven freaking out on the Dalek though; that was AWESOME. Also, the continuing plotline with the crack and time being out of joint. If Journey's End never happened, then where are these Daleks from? Are these from Satellite 5 or Canary Wharf or what? Are the Time Lords kicking around somewhere? What is going on??!
River next week.
I want to play the new download adventure game. It looks like they're going to be tying it in with the episode arc. This rocks. ** I don't think ami is from this era.***
I'm beginning to wonder if she's even human.
Also, did anyone else REALLY want to sing Domo Arigoto at the end there? For the robo man? Yeah... |
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Post by Stripes on Apr 18, 2010 1:34:08 GMT
my mum has not watched an epsiode of the new doctor who, but she thinks he looks like a good doctor, he sort of looks alien like. yeah... that's my mum.
Bless her heart, all my life was involved with my strange interest and now that i am a adult, she still tries to be some what involved though now, she is worn out and tired from keeping up. I love her.
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Post by jjpor on Apr 19, 2010 20:15:49 GMT
* Yeah, well, I don't think that there's anything I can add that hasn't already been said, and that I haven't already screamed like a manic Dalek in the course of my unwise incursion into the whole Ten vs Eleven wars going on on lj and elsewhere (it's carnage in some of the less civilised corners of the interwebs!) I think I'm going to chill out a bit in future - no sense in letting "them" get to me... ;D
But yes, this was very rushed and muddled, the new-look Daleks, don't care for 'em much, the bomb-defusing made no sense, the history was a load of reductive tosh, and it turned into a toy commercial about halfway through...
But...
As I felt moved to say very loudly in response to some comments coming out of fandom the other night...
This was not the worst NuWho episode ever - it wasn't even the worst Mark-Gatiss-penned NuWho episode ever - and I think the people who are suggesting it was (none of you sensible people, I hasten to add!  ) represent the opening moves in the great spring offensive to retake Who for the memory of RTD and Ten (ie the people who convinced themselves Moff/Eleven was going to be rubbish months ago and won't be convinced otherwise no matter what happens in the actual TV episodes).
That could just be my paranoia talking - as I say, in future I'm going to chill out and watch this nonsense unfold with my usual rubbernecking amusement because I don't feel particularly good about posting angry lj posts at 2.00AM on Sunday morning and engaging in combat in various less friendly places than this. I've always tried not to be one of _those_ fans, and don't want to become one in my old age.
So...
This had its moments, despite being a major missed opportunity in other ways. As I say, the history and Churchill as an icon could have been dealt with in a much more incisive and thought-provoking way (witness Curse of Fenric's take on WW2 as an example of what I'm talking about), but I wasn't really surprised with what we got. When NuWho features real historical characters, it usually seems to plump for obvious choices and treat them in obvious ways (of course, when it doesn't, ie Girl in the Fireplace and perhaps Unicorn and the Wasp, the results are usually more enjoyable).
Matt Smith and Karen Gillan continue to be really good value, I think. Love their interaction and really wish the story hadn't split them up for so long. I don't care what the naysayers say, Smith _is_ the Doctor - he oozes Doctorliness, whether he's battering a Dalek with a spanner or cheekily eating a jammy dodger, or snapping at Amy for interrupting him when he's trying to tell Churchill off.
Ian MacNeice was good considering he was basically playing a caricature. Bill Paterson was as dependable as ever, and really sold the predicament of his slightly underwritten character (the story did seem like a two-parter squeezed into one - very rushed). The poor WRAF girl with the dead fighter pilot boyfriend was given very short shrift - not even a little Unquiet-Dead-style heart-to-heart with Amy or Eleven, to the extent that I wondered why she was in the story at all.
And all of this stuff about Amy is very interesting - not just the cracks and the really rather disconcerting revelation that she doesn't remember Journey's End (I wish I didn't! ;D), but the moment of puzzlement Clocket refers to, and also when she takes the gun away from Bracewell and tells him "I understand"; understands what, precisely??
Think about it... I already have my crackpot theories, of course... ;D* |
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