If I were to animate Two's Stories

[Stripes]

I have deiced that Two is now my all time favourite doctor.
I, like many who fans, are sad by his lack of surviving stories.

If I go to animation school (Which I don't think I will, but who knows), I will re animate Two's stories.

I would do it in this style:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qAUnAC-Ec
(All Dogs go to Heaven, great movie, i should watch it again.)

Well, at least one of the stories in that style.

Sadly, I don't think BBC or the rest of world would like this animation. They would say it is outdated and want something 3-D or computer done. Boo.

Oh and I were to animate a Four story (not the tv show stories, maybe from a book or audio play or a new story) I would do it in this style:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI5WsZ1HwS4
(Yellow Submarine)

[jjpor]

To be honest, I think that the oldschool hand-drawn animation can still get a lot more emotion and personality into characters than the modern computer-generated stuff, which tends to make everyone look like lighter-than-air video game characters (at least, it does on the kind of budgets you're likely to get thrown at you for a Doctor Who DVD!). The kind of Flash animation they used for The Invasion and Infinite Quest was the best of both worlds in that respect - it was very cheap, but the audience could accept it on its own terms instead of spending the whole time marvelling at how cheap it looked...

The priority Two story for all-singing, all-dancing animated reconstruction has to be Evil of the Daleks...or failing that, some of the Ben/Polly ones, just because Ben and Polly are awesome...

[Stripes]

Jan 31, 2010 0:47:26 GMT jjpor said:

To be honest, I think that the oldschool hand-drawn animation can still get a lot more emotion and personality into characters than the modern computer-generated stuff, which tends to make everyone look like lighter-than-air video game characters (at least, it does on the kind of budgets you're likely to get thrown at you for a Doctor Who DVD!). The kind of Flash animation they used for The Invasion and Infinite Quest was the best of both worlds in that respect - it was very cheap, but the audience could accept it on its own terms instead of spending the whole time marvelling at how cheap it looked...

The priority Two story for all-singing, all-dancing animated reconstruction has to be Evil of the Daleks...or failing that, some of the Ben/Polly ones, just because Ben and Polly are awesome...

I was going to do Evil of The Daleks, or it was top of my list.
1. It has Victoria
2. I have the book based on the story
3. It has an episode still alive, so it will save time and energy.

Then I thought I should just do a story that has no living part at all.

I am not enjoying Ben and Polly. I find Polly just screams and is well.... she is just useless, even when she is in her prime, and Ben is all "look at me, i am super good looking and perfect and i have to lead everything!!!!"

[jjpor]

Or Enemy of the World, because Salamander is kind of amazing in his own way...

[Stripes]

Jan 31, 2010 1:22:08 GMT jjpor said:

Or Enemy of the World, because Salamander is kind of amazing in his own way...

I can't wait to read the book of that one. It looks so good. Yes, I think I will do that story... if I like it.

[johne]

I'd do The Wheel in Space, because Zoë. And The Faceless Ones, because Samantha. And Power of the Daleks, because Daleks and new Doctor. And Fury from the Deep, for Victoria's farewell scenes. And since the latter two have no surviving episodes, they could be animated in colour.

Now the BBC aren't spending eight-figure sums on Jonathan Ross, wouldn't it be nice if some of that money went to animating Who? At the prices I've seen bandied about, what they aren't spending on him any more would pay to animate every last missing episode several times over.

[lostspook]

Jan 31, 2010 1:16:53 GMT Stripes said:

I am not enjoying Ben and Polly. I find Polly just screams and is well.... she is just useless, even when she is in her prime, and Ben is all "look at me, i am super good looking and perfect and i have to lead everything!!!!"

Each to their own, but I'm curious as to which eps you've seen. Polly does scream, although Victoria is the famous screamer of the era (and Polly has an entertaining and enterprising trait of fighting back by being a Girl, with nail varnish remover and flirting and things), but I just can't think of any point where I'd ever see Ben in that light - he's all put-upon and winds up getting injured, and... to the point where I'm blinking here a bit at that one. I mean, if you said that about Steven or Ian, well, you know, possibly, but Ben??!

Anyway, I second the request for The Power of the Daleks, because I wants it. I wants it badly. It has such great supporting characters and eerieness and the first time the Doctor changed and Ben just can't get used to it, even if Polly can. And Lesterson... and 'friendly' Daleks. But I want the other two as well. And The Macra Terror. :lol:

Glad you love Two, though - isn't Patrick Troughton just marvellous?

[Stripes]

I said Ben likes to be a leader, I didn't say he good at it. When The Doctor isn't around, he really does try to lead everything. Polly may flirt and use girly powers but i feel that is all she is really there for, to be a girl, and scream. Maybe she doesn't scream as load as Victoria, (I am reading half of these stories, listening to the audios for the other half) but she does do a lot of little screams, wines, and other expressions that I can't think of the words right now.

Oh and I am finding Jamie to be the one who is mostly getting injured.... almost as if he is accident pron. Yet, he is still in his early stories... i mean, he hasn't had chance to flirt with The Doctor yet. (I just finished Moonbase.... so yeah, that is how far I am)

Do keep in mine, I started Two stories from his first story, so I am basing Ben and Polly on their interactions with Two.

I will give credit to Polly, she was the only one who believed the Doctor was well the Doctor when One turned into Two. Ben was reluctant to trust Two even though he saw One change into Two with his own eyes. So good on ya Polly for having faith on the Doctor.

[lostspook]

Fair enough; I just wondered. "You girls stay here" is a bit of Sixties, thing, but it happens less in the Troughton era than it does initially with the Doctor and Ian.

The most surviving eps for Ben and Polly are actually The War Machines (whole! complete!) and The Tenth Planet, which are both First Doctor stories. (I think the War Machines sets the bar for Ben/Polly aww-ness; but The Power of the Daleks comes close, so if that didn't move you... Never mind). Of course, when you're reading and listening to them you don't get those wonderful grimaces Anneke Wills does, either. Polly makes the best fed-up faces.

Yes, Jamie wasn't expected as an extra companion, hence his being hastily shoved into a corner in The Moonbase - you can tell, can't you?!

I so want to see The Power of the Daleks. I agree with John about the animation project, although it still would never be the same as having Patrick Troughton on screen.

*sulks at the BBC for flaming it*

But any animation to stand in would be very cool.

Edit: Courtesy of YouTUbe - Ben and Polly meet - with moving pictures!! (And if you still can't stand them, you get the hilarious bit of Dodo wanting to go to the hottest nightspot in town (in her best Posh accent) ... which so isn't, either. :lol:):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6MWjJs5INM&feature=related

[jjpor]

Jan 31, 2010 10:40:58 GMT johne said:

Now the BBC aren't spending eight-figure sums on Jonathan Ross, wouldn't it be nice if some of that money went to animating Who? At the prices I've seen bandied about, what they aren't spending on him any more would pay to animate every last missing episode several times over.

Yes, but there you're assuming that the BBC operates to the same standards of sensible behaviour, and indeed logic, that the rest of us employ.

But definitely, the world needs more animated Who, in some format or other (although I thought the recent CG animation used in Dreamland was the weakest part of an otherwise okay story).

From what I've seen (and heard) of Ben, he seems to me more like a hero-in-spite-of-everything, almost like Mickey in NuWho or something. I find characters like that kind of appealing.

[clocketpatch]

I haven't really seen enough of Ben and Polly to form judgment. But who has really? Who's no over forty and British anyway -

Of all the stories I've seen, the one I'd most like seen done up in animations is Evil of the Daleks. That story kept me compelled and hooked to the screen despite being a recon (granted, it's a very good recon that's been done of it on youtube; almost an animation in its own right). But, it had a Jamie sword fight! And Two being scheming and borderline something. And Victoria! And dizy dizy Daleks!

Also, because Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks tried to steal the plot but couldn't hold a candle to it.

It's such a strange story, with all those different location, and So Much Colour, even though it's in black and white. I think it would work in the Don Bluff animation style you were suggesting Newton, like All Dogs, kind of wild and nothing held back, but with the ability to go sudden dark and surreal.

Granted, that's just Who in a nutshell isn't it?

[Stripes]

What I like about the "all dogs go to haven" style is how loose it the animation is. the people are not stiff, , the hair bounces around, the dogs change emotions every other secound. Lots of little detail within the characters actions, yet it isn't stiff. I think that works great for Two. I see him as a laid back, loose, on the spot kind of fellow. Yet he holds so much emotion and moves around alot, even when he is standing and/or sitting still. Like his fingers would be fiddling around with something, or his eyes would be all over the place. I could be wrong, but I notice those moments.

[jjpor]

No, I think you're right about that Newton. It's the thing I really thought let Dreamland down, actually - the style of animation they used was so stiff and restricted, but Ten is so animated (even when he's being miserable, Tennant does so much acting with his face and his eyes), and that was really lost when you had Ten bouncing around like something off Thunderbirds with this fixed grin on his face. And I think Two is a bit the same; the Flash animation in The Invasion was pretty basic, but it worked as a guide to the audio track, to help the viewer follow the story more easily, and I liked the artistic style of it. But yeah, to do Two justice in animation would require something where you could see all of the little quirks and bits of business that Troughton brings to the part (and an animator who could "do" Troughton too...).

And now I'm thinking of the Dalek Emperor LOOMing over the camera, in glorious Technicolor and light and shade and all that...and HUNDREDS of Daleks exterminating each other, with bits of eyestalk flying around the screen and stuff... It'd be marvellous... Now, let me just find a spare ten million quid or so, and we'll make it! ;D

[librarylover]

I know this thread is about animating the Second Doctor's burned stories, but since some of One's stories also bit the incinerator can I beg one request from his time? I would really LOVE to see Marco Polo! I watched a recon that used still photos, and it was good, but it is such a great story and deserves a better showcase.

[Stripes]

Seeing that I am not going to animation school (well, not in sept, I got into pre med) I won't be re animating Two's story. Why can't I be both an animator and someone who does humanitarian work? Maybe I will.

Any way, I have not read any One stories and Two is my favourite, so no, i will not do one. Someday, maybe, if I do Two's.... but for now, no.

[clocketpatch]

You got into pre-med? Good job Newton! Whoot! This here be a cause for celebration!

[jjpor]

Excellent news Newton - one the one hand, I will mourn your prematurely-stalled career in animation, but on the other - congratulations! You will end up being a far more useful member of society than me, I fear... ;D

Unless...you combine the two careers! No? No, probably not... ;D

Yes, LL - Marco Polo would be an excellent choice as well. Of course, if I ever come into about a billion quid, I'll be aiming to remake all of the lost episodes, so... ;D

I can dream, can't I?

[primsong]

Very excellent news indeed - well done!

As to animating... ah, dream dream... I know I've often wondered why in the world the Beeb can't just pick a team of good fan animators who would probably do it for almost nothing just to have it done right, Lord knows there's enough rabid Troughton fans out there who are actually pretty talented. Sigh.