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Post by Stripes on Jan 20, 2009 2:07:17 GMT
But ... But ... Manchester United has Edwin Van der Sar, EDWIN VAN DER SAR!
Well they won't have him for long since he is retiring.
*hugs Edwin*
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Post by IMForeman on Jan 20, 2009 6:53:20 GMT
I remember hearing Anthony Head auditioned to be Eight. He's really been involved with Doctor Who a lot, even if he's never been the Doctor. There's School Reunion, of course, and then The Infinite Quest, and he narrates Doctor Who Confidential. He's also been in a few audios and one of the webcasts.
Yeah, Season 3 is the Mayor. The series definitely started getting worse around the fourth season, although Hush and Restless are some of my favorites.
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Post by clocketpatch on Feb 9, 2009 6:55:33 GMT
Well, I've finished season 4, and I quite enjoyed it (though they got rid of Oz!! NOO!!!) but Hush and Restless were both amazing. I think Restless must go down as one of the best dream sequences ever put to film. Also, Giles singing = win.
Giles through this whole season was win. I love his degeneration from stuffy and tweed in season 1 to the madman in a sombrero shouting the answers at jeopardy and singing in seedy clubs. It's funny, real, and kind of sad if you think about it too hard.
Anyway, onto a Who-y note my friend also lent me the first season of Angel, and one day when I was bored enough I took a looksie. I got up to episode 3 (and the only reason I went that far is because Spike showed up in episode 3, and then left). I'm not sure if I'll watch any more. I wonder though if RTD was taking a cue from Angel when he made Torchwood? Some of the similarities are nigh on unnerving. Immortal Angel standing on a roof with his billowing coat being emo...
and the fact that the second episode was about a rampaging sex!demon (seriously, sub alien for demon and Cardiff for LA and it would have been Torchwood Day One down to the tee, the parallels were freaky).
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Post by IMForeman on Feb 9, 2009 15:40:18 GMT
I definitely thought the Torchwood/Angel parallel too. Kind of hard not to, although Angel wins for being able to make fun of his emo. If you want to watch Angel concurrently with Buffy, there are some episodes that crossover into each other. Erm, I actually became really obsessed with watching the episodes in order of air date, partly because I wasn't entirely sure when there were crossovers to be had - some of the things I found online clashed with each other, and many had spoilers - and partly because I wanted the whole experience someone watching at the original time got of them as one story.
You don't have to go that far, but if you are interested I could figure out a spoiler-free list of crossovers for you. But you probably don't lost that much watching Angel afterwards, or not at all, it's just sometimes cool to see. In some ways, I ended up preferring Angel to Buffy, not necessarily because one had better episodes but because the former explored some very interesting themes about redemption and free will, which they kept very true to for the series finale, and was able to go very dark without feeling gratuitously depressing like the other show often became (but I probably should stop saying all these pessimistic things about Buffy that you're not up to yet...).
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Post by jjpor on Feb 9, 2009 18:32:11 GMT
Torchwood is sort of RTD's Buffy/Angel fanfic, I think. But with more guns and swearing - like all good fanfics. Hush is the one with the grinning, silent undertaker-type monsters, isn't it? That's a really good one. Series Four did leave me cold a bit though - the sub-X-Files government conspiracy types seemed like a step back from the Mayor.
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Post by magnusgreel on Feb 9, 2009 20:19:47 GMT
Someone was nice enough to give me a DVD of the first two B:TVS episodes. I started it, and immediately had to exit since the program was throwing me back into the horrific environment of high school. I did my time, no one's making me go back!
I tried watching it when it was on, but I never lasted through entire episodes, except for one that is talked about as being the best, where ghost-like creatures steal the town's voices and glide silently around town. That was good, and genuinely scary. Nothing's genuinely scary these days.
Buffy epitomizes (and created?) the current trend of "light, unfunny teenage jokiness" as I'm calling it lately. This deflates the gravity of stories, I think.
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Post by clocketpatch on Feb 10, 2009 1:03:40 GMT
Someone was nice enough to give me a DVD of the first two B:TVS episodes. I started it, and immediately had to exit since the program was throwing me back into the horrific environment of high school. I did my time, no one's making me go back! LOL! Don't worry Magnus; I'll protect you! I tried watching it when it was on, but I never lasted through entire episodes, except for one that is talked about as being the best, where ghost-like creatures steal the town's voices and glide silently around town. That was good, and genuinely scary. Nothing's genuinely scary these days. That there be the Hush episode we're all talking on. I think my favourite part was Gile's over-head silent movie with the needlessly gory stick figure drawings. No one uses genuine over-heads anymore these days... Buffy epitomizes (and created?) the current trend of "light, unfunny teenage jokiness" as I'm calling it lately. This deflates the gravity of stories, I think. My main problem is the characters' apparently inability to deal with the pain of others (because they're too busy wrapped up with their own) and the constant tirade that people should 'move on and start dating again'. Also, the random sex annoys me, but thankfully, so far at least, it's been tastefully handled. I've got to disagree with you on the humor front though Magnus. Granted, I've seen shows (and movies) trying to capture the same style of humor and falling flat, but I've found Buffy pretty funny up to this point. Also, in my opinion, comedy is much harder to write than dark, broody angst, and, when used properly, the juxtaposition of dark and light shows how dark the dark really is.
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Post by IMForeman on Feb 10, 2009 5:25:25 GMT
I feel the humor is really appropriate to the show, because the situations are so dramatic and overwrought. The danger is never funny, it's the way the characters react to it. It's an example of Joss Whedon having fun subverting horror clichés and how Buffy herself is different from the other slayers. The Buffy-speak occasionally gets on my nerves, however.
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Post by magnusgreel on Feb 10, 2009 10:16:02 GMT
...the horrific environment of high school. I did my time, no one's making me go back! (1) LOL! Don't worry Magnus; I'll protect you! (2) That there be the Hush episode we're all talking on. I think my favourite part was Gile's over-head silent movie with the needlessly gory stick figure drawings. No one uses genuine over-heads anymore these days... Buffy epitomizes (and created?) the current trend of "light, unfunny teenage jokiness" as I'm calling it lately. This deflates the gravity of stories, I think. (3) My main problem is the characters' apparently inability to deal with the pain of others (because they're too busy wrapped up with their own) and the constant tirade that people should 'move on and start dating again'. Also, the random sex annoys me, but thankfully, so far at least, it's been tastefully handled. (4)I've got to disagree with you on the humor front though Magnus. Granted, I've seen shows (and movies) trying to capture the same style of humor and falling flat, but I've found Buffy pretty funny up to this point. Also, in my opinion, comedy is much harder to write than dark, broody angst, and, when used properly, the juxtaposition of dark and light shows how dark the dark really is. (1) I'm holding you to that, you know. If I end up in high school again, I shall be in a litigious mood... (2) That there be someone who's seen Ribos Operation recently, no? Sorry, what's an over-head? (3) Interesting points, and I somehow feel as if I'd agree, just based on the way you're thinking here. (4) Okay, possible revision to my theory: Throngs of bad imitators of Buffy may have made series with a lame version of the kind of humor that Buffy did much better. I never really got to know the program well. "...when used properly, the juxtaposition of dark and light shows how dark the dark really is." Exactly! I've never heard anyone but me say this before! Too many people think of Sun Makers, say, as just some bit of wackiness and dislike it for that reason (on Outpost Gallifrey anyway), but I have always said that it's more effective as a serious story because the sense of absurdity underlines and accentuates the gravity. Only one other poster at OG agreed about that.
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Post by clocketpatch on Feb 10, 2009 12:56:33 GMT
Over-head projector =
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Post by magnusgreel on Feb 11, 2009 21:14:20 GMT
Oh, thanks. I could really use one of those. I assume they stopped making them long ago... I have a small version that doesn't blow up print all that much at all.
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