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Post by Abbyromana on Nov 22, 2009 16:15:45 GMT
Has anyone else spotted this two minute filler between WoM and The End of Time two-parter. For someone like myself who has been staying away from spoilers (if you plan on posting any here, please remember to white it out), I loved this two minute story. There's so much about it that makes me grin and think (two of my favorite things to do). * Obviously, it leaves me with questions both about the plot and what the Doctor was prattling on about to Ood Sigma. I mean, in terms of plot, I know something is up and it has to do with the Master, but... what?
Also, what was the Doctor really up to between the end of WoM and that two minute piece? The reason I ask is that I've learned not to take everything the Doctor says, particularly Four and Ten, at face-value. Do you really think he did all that travelling, marrying, and etc?* Still, despite the questions, I enjoyed it for what it was... a filler amongst the void. ** your neighbourhood mod reminds that not everyone has seen this clip, and since it's technically the first part of an episode, please white-out discussions of it.
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Post by Abbyromana on Nov 22, 2009 16:19:16 GMT
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Post by lostspook on Nov 22, 2009 19:04:24 GMT
Thanks, Abby. This was exactly what I was after when I came online today. (And, btw, DWM says it is a brief snippet from [i[after[/i] the credits, as the pre-credit sequence wouldn't have worked alone.)
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Post by jjpor on Nov 22, 2009 19:09:43 GMT
And because *Ten/Elizabeth I isn't really the kind of thing you want to go putting in the middle of Children in Need...* (joking - I hope!) ;D
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Post by Abbyromana on Nov 22, 2009 23:25:28 GMT
And because * Ten/Elizabeth I isn't really the kind of thing you want to go putting in the middle of Children in Need...* (joking - I hope!) ;D I'm getting more and more certain that whole married Elizabeth was just Ten's way of being sarcastic and teasing to Sigma. I do think he met her as was suggested in the Shakespeare Code, but the whole relationship doesn't seem very Doctor, even for Ten. t's like many lines said by Four.
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Post by jjpor on Nov 23, 2009 22:48:47 GMT
I want you to be right about this, Abby. ;D As you say, if Four came out with something like that, you'd just assume he was drunk again being Four as usual. The only thing with Ten is, he does have a bit of past form in that particular area, so there is that niggle of doubt... ;D
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Post by Abbyromana on Nov 24, 2009 1:15:41 GMT
I want you to be right about this, Abby. ;D As you say, if Four came out with something like that, you'd just assume he was drunk again being Four as usual. The only thing with Ten is, he does have a bit of past form in that particular area, so there is that niggle of doubt... ;D Why I agree Ten has a history of being flirtatious (of course, so does several other incarnations), there's nothing to definitely say he's shagged or been married. That's why I doubt the married and soiled the name of Elizabeth, and I think they are more likely him joking than anything else.
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Post by jjpor on Nov 24, 2009 20:49:23 GMT
As I say, I hope you're right. Of course the joke was completely lost on the person he was telling it to... ;D
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Post by Abbyromana on Nov 24, 2009 23:39:32 GMT
As I say, I hope you're right. Of course the joke was completely lost on the person he was telling it to... ;D True. I'm guessing his wiry humor part of his defense against what he fears and knows is coming. He didn't want to appear to the Ood as frightened or angry. I think many of the Doctors have used humor as a defense, such as Four and Nine. An you know the old saying, 'old habits die hard.'
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Post by jjpor on Nov 25, 2009 21:55:26 GMT
Indeed so, although sometimes it's more obviously a defence than at others. In Ten's case in particular, it sometimes comes across as a complete act, hiding what's really going on inside, and I like the way they write that, and the way Tennant plays it (see, I can be complimentary about RTD and co when I want to be ;D).
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Post by Abbyromana on Nov 26, 2009 2:35:02 GMT
Indeed so, although sometimes it's more obviously a defence than at others. In Ten's case in particular, it sometimes comes across as a complete act, hiding what's really going on inside, and I like the way they write that, and the way Tennant plays it (see, I can be complimentary about RTD and co when I want to be ;D). That deserves some good karma then, JJ.
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Post by lostspook on Nov 28, 2009 15:58:04 GMT
You know, this clip from CIN reminded me of nothing so much as when the Doctor pretends to be drunk in the Madame Pompadour ep. So, OOC - yes. In denial and all, I'd say. Plus, don't be too squeamish. The very first thing we ever learn about the Doctor, before we meet him, before we see the TARDIS or even the junkyard is that the Doctor has definitely had sex at least once in his life. (Susan's grandfather - "Some sort of Doctor, isn't he?" And for all the loops people have gone through there doesn't seem to be any intention for this to be taken at any other than face value. I felt I had to explain there in case anyone started throwing things...) Anyway, I'll stop playing devil's advocate. It'll be interesting to see the clip in context. But it was very like Drunk!Ten, so I'd say he's meant to be a bit OOC there.
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Post by poetry on Nov 28, 2009 18:36:32 GMT
Plus, don't be too squeamish. The very first thing we ever learn about the Doctor, before we meet him, before we see the TARDIS or even the junkyard is that the Doctor has definitely had sex at least once in his life. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOMS.
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Post by lostspook on Nov 28, 2009 19:42:36 GMT
Plus, don't be too squeamish. The very first thing we ever learn about the Doctor, before we meet him, before we see the TARDIS or even the junkyard is that the Doctor has definitely had sex at least once in his life. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOMS. Not one single on-screen canon evidence of their existence. The Doctor had a Mrs Who, a Little Miss Who and a granddaughter, Susan. Plus, look at him with Cameca. There's none of that, oh me, I'm a loomed Gallifreyan nonsense. :lol: ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jjpor on Nov 29, 2009 1:15:55 GMT
Well, if I ever do write that Doctor-origin-story fic I've been threatening people with for over a year now (not that I ever will, probably), I'll make it clear that I can believe completely in LOOOOOMMMSS!! while also acknowledging fully the existence of Mrs Who, young junior Whos and Susan Who (and possibly hinting none-too-subtly at the idea that One and Mrs Who enjoyed a, er...full and complete marriage, without getting into too much detail). And indeed, he was totally into Cameca. It's got to do with Time Lords and Shobogans and the strange two-tier nature of Gallifreyan society, which I admit is totally my own weird personal fanon, but nevertheless makes a strange kind of sense to me...
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Post by IMForeman on Nov 29, 2009 6:20:32 GMT
*Well, I for one am outraged by the fact that the Doctor got married. How could he do that to the Master?
I kid, obviously, but that's based on people's opinions elsewhere with a different character in place of the Master. I actually am completely willing to ship Ten/Elizabeth I.
In my fanon, the Doctor gets accidentally married a lot and in fact he's accidentally married most of his companions at one time or another. Perhaps Elizabeth I traveled with the Doctor for a bit.*
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Post by lostspook on Nov 29, 2009 15:52:15 GMT
Firstly, JJ, that way lies MADNESS and no escape from fan fiction. Anything that detailed needs to be a)your own planet or b) because the BBC are paying you to write it for something official. ;D
And, secondly, IM - LOL!!! That's very him. We've seen him get accidentally engaged at least once and he was very taken with the idea, so, yes. It sounds like a fabulous cracky fic: Ten times the Doctor accidentally got married and one time he did it on purpose? With lots of running away from angry brides. Hmm. What was I saying about madness?
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Post by jjpor on Nov 29, 2009 23:22:47 GMT
Firstly, JJ, that way lies MADNESS and no escape from fan fiction. Anything that detailed needs to be a)your own planet or b) because the BBC are paying you to write it for something official. Hey, I can't help it - I think about things; I think about things too hard, okay? ;D I'm thinking of a line, can't remember what it is, or even if it's Who, but it's from some sort of TV SF, where a character shakes hands with another character and says something like "on XYZ IV, we'd now legally be married", or something like that... Can't remember what it was... But yes, I'm sure the Doctor has a wife in every spaceport as a result of that kind of cultural misunderstanding... ;D
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Post by librarylover on Nov 29, 2009 23:58:33 GMT
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thinking that the-Doctor-accidentally-gets-married could be a new sub-genre to rival cake fic! I mean, Cameca makes it totally canon even.
Not that Doctor Who has canon. I don't mean to imply that in any way. Nope, no canon. No looms either.
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Post by Abbyromana on Nov 30, 2009 2:06:43 GMT
And, secondly, IM - LOL!!! That's very him. We've seen him get accidentally engaged at least once and he was very taken with the idea, so, yes. When was this? Did he do this one of the times my back was turned or what? I don't recall him ever getting accidentally married. I recall him accidentally becoming the President of Gallifrey, but that's about it. On your other point, I like that idea for a fanfic. Let's play with it. Just point me in the direction of the posting.
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