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Post by jjpor on Dec 23, 2009 20:48:22 GMT
It maybe was, a little, but I think it's set things up nicely for the Xmas specials; you get the impression that after all that there will, possibly literally, be hell to pay...
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Post by clocketpatch on Dec 23, 2009 22:58:27 GMT
Hell to pay indeed. Whatever happens, I get the strong impression that it's not going to be pleasant for anyone involved.
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Post by jjpor on Dec 26, 2009 21:13:32 GMT
I hate being right about stuff like this: * The only thing I didn't really like was the very ending. It was like RTD was shying away and stepping back from the monstrous!Ten he had just set up in complete contradiction to what I was expecting of him (I was expecting a handwavy, magicky "get out of jail" type patented RTD ending with token angst to try and stop us from noticing it was a copout - not that!). You know, Ten falling to his knees in the snow with all this "what have I done??!!" stuff, seemed a bit of a step back at the very end. I would rather have had him going into the finale still full of hubris, with nemesis quick approaching in the form of a bottle-blond John Simm...
I just hope this won't lead us back to more standard-issue Ten!angst in the next part. Rusty's done something here I never saw him doing going into it, and I just hope he builds on it rather than taking a step back, which is what the ending made me worry would happen. I hope not.*
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Post by magnusgreel on Jan 12, 2010 2:41:12 GMT
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I've been reading other reaction posts and a lot of people are opposed to the Doctor being such an anti-hero, and I understand that because I have the same reservations, but the thing is, the Doctor was saving people. He had been placed in an incredibly horrific situation, powerless to rescue people, which is what the Doctor does best, and basically he lost it and went way too far.
One thing that bothers me about the angst is that people dying = all about the Doctor's pain.
* Good points. I can only afford to read about half of page one of these posts. I'll get to the rest later I hope. Anyway, I didn't like the monster part of the story, but suddenly was jolted by the Doctor's going rogue owing to lack of supervision. That was great. I wanted Ten to stay that way for a good long time. The main part, the crusty mouth people with a drooling problem, that seemed to come out of a feeling of obligation to have DW be about monsters no matter what. Why was water coming out of their mouths? Just a lack of flexible lips and a mouth that closes? Isn't water rare and precious on Mars? Would they use it as a weapon and waste it? RTD cares more about what things look like than about whether they make sense. The valuable part was the Doctor at the end. A lot should be said about that, but not by me tonight. Couldn't we have had the plague be more of a plague, and not a monster-movie sort of possession? The suicide works, even though it was insanely rash and counter-productive. I'm very impressed that a human could catch up with the temporal implications so fast, enough to make that enormous a decision. The boat has already sailed on dark, violent content-- the worst example being Yvonne Hartman and others being hacked to death, albeit off camera. Children ought to be spared some of this, but I wouldn't mind at all if DW were recategorized as adult SF, sometimes suitable for children, sometimes not.
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Post by merrythemad on Jan 12, 2010 13:39:50 GMT
I too was insanely disappointed at RTD's entire lack of consequences, the Timelord Victorious was the most inspiring thing RTD has done in his tenure (unless you are one of those pRon fic rose/ten writers) and I was enormously saddened by the utter failure to follow through in this vein, from the beginning of the scene in the Oodsphere it looked as if they were rolling with it, and I'm bitter that RTD chose to release that just to give us false hope. Well, at least he left it open for fanfic, I guess...
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Post by jjpor on Jan 13, 2010 22:46:35 GMT
Yes - it was dispiriting, really. I guess I can see why he would want to please the Ten fanbase by returning to his comfort zones in the finale, but...yes...
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