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Post by Starflower on Jan 19, 2009 23:45:33 GMT
Well I finally saw the movie for Doctor Who. Eight is pretty cool and Grace is ok. It was the Master that really bugged me.
The Series Master: A renagade timelord who was a school friend of the Doctor's and now his enemy. He is polite but always trying to take over the world and kill the Doctor. (though he doesn't really want to kill him)
The Movie Master: Let's tell this Master's life story. There's a blob of Master that oozes out of the TARDIS. It turns into a puddle. Then it turns into a snake. The snake then goes into this guys mouth making his eyes turn bright lime green. (oh come on! Get us some Delgado eyes!) Then he spits on Grace showing his sudden ability to spit gooey acid. Which can freeze a bunch of guards mid-"halt!"...apparently. Along with the strange accent and very improper speech such as saying "Yes way" and "Gotta". Last of all is the gorilla cry as he tackles Grace making her fall to her near death along with the deep "NEVER!" cry as he falls to his exploding death into a bright blue vortex.
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Post by clocketpatch on Jan 20, 2009 2:25:09 GMT
I'm not going to apologize for the CGI snake of wtf, but one good thing about Movie Master is that he "always dresses for the occasion"
um... maybe that's not a redeeming quality.
his campness is kind of adorable though, in a campy way. Personally, it's Grace I can't stand -
"I'm on call, but I'm going to go out and wear this silly dress even though I might be called in at any time" "This doesn't look right... better poke around" "Opps, he's dead" "Stop breathing on me" "YOU'RE IN MY CAR! AHHH!!" "Why don't you come into my house you strange man, you." "So, you have two hearts?" "YOU'RE CRAZY!" "Oh, you just walked through a window, that's odd" "YOU MUST STILL BE CRAZY!!" "Here have my ex's shoes" "YOU'RE CRAZY!" "You kissed me, now I love you." *sigh* car chase interlude *in danger* "I finally found the right guy and he's from another planet" *danger* "Now I'm going to be evil for a bit" *dead* *magical glowy stuff brings me back to life* "Let's make out"
and then she rejects Eight and his floffy hair? You can see my problem I'm sure?
Honestly though, I've said it before and I'll say it again: The TVM is just a giant regeneration-induced hallucination, and none of it actually happened.
;D
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Post by IMForeman on Jan 20, 2009 3:05:08 GMT
She also killed Seven! Which brought us Eight...so not all bad, I guess.
The Master is kind of amazingly horrible. I spent most of his scenes staring in fascination. I can't imagine how anyone involved with making this would have approved of him.
There are a few good points, even if they're hard to find among the rest. "These shoes! They fit perfectly!" and the Doctor holding himself hostage with the gun.
So half-human Doctor, yes or no? The show seems to have finally ruled it non-canon.
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Post by clocketpatch on Jan 20, 2009 3:10:08 GMT
Who knows? Really? Also, I've mentioned this before on another thread I think, but... if Eight stole his outfit, and jelly babies are apparently very difficult to get in the states, then where did he get his bag of confectionaries??? Inquiring minds want to know! Also, it occured to me at some point while watching that Eight isn't wearing underwear because he stole his clothes, and if he is, ew.
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Post by magnusgreel on Jan 20, 2009 3:16:51 GMT
I love the first half hour, with Sylvester, and I didn't like Sylvester before this. (I hadn't seen season 26 yet though... actually our PBS station showed s26 for the first time around that same time in 1996, thinking it might be time to bring Who back.) The scene in the console room-library is unbelievable. I kept expecting that room to show up in a dream of mine, but it never did.
There was enormous interference with the script and I don't think Philip Segal can be blamed. Think what you will about Eric Roberts' Master, but if you are reduced to a slime... I think there was very little left of our Master at that point, except the drive and hatred, and the human Master was some new creature who thought he was the Master.
The eyes of humans opening the Eye... random magic. As for the Eye of Harmony being in his Tardis not on Gallifrey, I say there's an identical Eye in every Tardis, and that they are physically all the same Eye, existing in many places at once. There's dimensional transcendance for you. I like that idea.
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Post by Starflower on Jan 20, 2009 3:31:55 GMT
I'm just bothered that it's in the TARDIS piriod. :/ And I don't get why it opens because of a human because the timelords don't really like humans. Humans weren'r even allowed on Gallifrey for a while. That's why Sarah left.
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Post by clocketpatch on Jan 20, 2009 3:38:16 GMT
I got the impression that the Doctor rigged his Eye special to open just for humans, whether he did this because he's 'half-human' (on his mother's side) or for some other odd reason... who knows?
honestly though, if the Eye would only open for human retinas why didn't the Master jsut use possessed Grace...?
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Post by Starflower on Jan 20, 2009 3:41:58 GMT
He explained that. Because her eyes weren't human. That's another thing. This Master doesn't hypnotize people, he posesses them. Hypnotizem would have left her eyes human. The movie would have been way better with Delgado.
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Post by clocketpatch on Jan 20, 2009 3:50:20 GMT
Everything would have been made better with Delgado.
The list is very long.
Alas, this cannot be.
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Post by Starflower on Jan 20, 2009 5:47:22 GMT
It would be fun to find footage that worked and edit it into the movie. Ah yes. And insert aliens.
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Post by IMForeman on Jan 20, 2009 6:13:08 GMT
And I don't get why it opens because of a human because the timelords don't really like humans. Humans weren'r even allowed on Gallifrey for a while. That's why Sarah left. They attempt to rectify that in one of the Big Finish audios, when Evelyn's retinal print is briefly used as a security code for Gallifrey and the Doctor tells her to be careful around the TARDIS in the future, as he's not sure how it will react. The whole thing is very fanservicey, anyway. Forgot to mention that I really like the console layout in the TVM, but it feels a bit more polished than the TARDIS should look.
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Post by magnusgreel on Jan 20, 2009 6:14:20 GMT
Make sylvester regenerate intp Eccleston!
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Post by IMForeman on Jan 20, 2009 6:19:45 GMT
Make sylvester regenerate intp Eccleston! Why? Is there something wrong with McGann? Unless you just mean because we haven't got any regeneration footage of Eight into Nine.
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Post by Starflower on Jan 20, 2009 6:33:55 GMT
I like McGann, I just don't like the movie he's in thought it has it's moments. I don't quite get the plot and why there is random gliterry stuff that brings them back to life in the end is beyond me. But why the Master was a gooey blob then an acid/freezing spitting snake in a man with glowing lime green eyes is also very far from my understanding.
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Post by clocketpatch on Jan 20, 2009 6:53:45 GMT
As far as I can tell the glowy-green eyes are a reference to the Cheetah-virus in Survival.
I too like McGann and feel that he was supremely short-shifted. The movie was absolute rot and yet he STILL managed to shine in it. At least he got to do the audios, which are awesome, even if I don't completely understand what's going on with the whole Charley arc at the moment...
(honest question, because I haven't really listened to anything past Zagreus, but I've read summaries, and is that whole divergent-universe excursion thing really as trippy as it looks??? And what's this I hear about Charley teaming up with Six... how does that even begin to make sense??? *confused*)
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Post by evelyn on Jan 20, 2009 8:01:17 GMT
Did no one mention the random dead leaves all over the floor of the TARDIS? I mean, I know that the rooms and halls can shift and whatnot, but did the botanical garden or whatever end up shifting into the control room by accident or something? There are just SO many things wrong with having the Doctor stranded in California. At least he retained his Madd Motorcycle-Riding Skillz from five regenerations back.
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Post by Stripes on Jan 20, 2009 15:03:59 GMT
As far as I can tell the glowy-green eyes are a reference to the Cheetah-virus in Survival. I too like McGann and feel that he was supremely short-shifted. The movie was absolute rot and yet he STILL managed to shine in it. At least he got to do the audios, which are awesome, even if I don't completely understand what's going on with the whole Charley arc at the moment... (honest question, because I haven't really listened to anything past Zagreus, but I've read summaries, and is that whole divergent-universe excursion thing really as trippy as it looks??? And what's this I hear about Charley teaming up with Six... how does that even begin to make sense??? *confused*) Nutshell of Charlie. In a nutshell Charlie ends up abandoned in the far distant future without the Doctor and has to build a crystal radio to send an SOS, and is surprised when the TARDIS turns up with the 6th Doctor in it and off they go.Found it on a messageboard.
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Post by IMForeman on Jan 20, 2009 16:26:52 GMT
Newton, would you mind whiting that out? I looked away before I read very much but I'm trying not to be spoiled for it.
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Post by Stripes on Jan 20, 2009 18:02:37 GMT
Newton, would you mind whiting that out? I looked away before I read very much but I'm trying not to be spoiled for it. I white it out. Sorry. I feel bad seeing how upset I get over spoilers. I love my audio plays so I know how you feel.
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Post by Starflower on Jan 20, 2009 18:37:10 GMT
No wonder he had temporary amnisia! Right planet. Wrong country. He would have done a lot better... and probobly not have died if he was in Britian because UNIT would have sorted everything out for him. =)
I don't understand why in so many fanfics Eight is depressed or has amnisia. His amnisia only lasted a short time and the majority of his life was pre-timewar.
On the subject of the timewar, why destroy Gallifrey? And why not bring it back? They brough the Daleks in from anothoer dimention. Why couldn't Gallifrey have gone where the Daleks did. It's not really fair that they bring back his enemies but they can't even bring back his own planet. :/
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