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Post by clocketpatch on Sept 21, 2008 4:04:17 GMT
Lookit wat I found ep. 1 Oooh… it’s a dark and stormy night! Good opening! WHAT is the Doctor wearing? Sort of like a blue dress as he works on Bessie. And a tie? And not a ruffle or cape in sight! “Bessie, how dare you go gallivanting around like that” XDD Devil’s End… lol, LOL BBC reporters, and weird dioramas. Lolz, archaeologists Apparently archaeology is like pie. O.o I like the archaeologist pwning the reporter. I’m a witch! I tell you, I’m a witch! That’s why you should listen to me! The Dark on is near! The Prince of Evil! The Horny Beast! Er… (okay, I think she might have actually said horned, but that’s the way I heard it) Oh dear, that copper is pulling a Turlough with the rock. Don’t stone the witch! Mr. Magister? Oh dear… OMGosh! Mr. Magister is wearing Ten’s brainy specs! LOLZ I like this Ms. Hawthorn. She just pwned the Master Haha, Jo was reading the map upsidedown “Supposing the devil does appear?” (to the Beeb reporter) “Well, maybe you could interview him” “I am no sort of chap sir!” LOLZ Three is not wearing a WIG! Three needs no WIG! Psshhah Oh dear, Mr. Magister seems to be performing the black mass. And very creepy the Master is at it too. I like his costume. His chanting is quite musical too. Stop! Stop! Hmm… the archaeologists should have listened to the witch, and the Doctor… The Devil’s Hump has passes wind… XD
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Post by clocketpatch on Sept 21, 2008 5:47:12 GMT
Oooo Weeee OOOoooo Short recap I love the Unit staff watching the game while the Doctor is getting all squished The Master’s followers have bad fashion sense. Black druid cloaks are so last century… (more like last millennium) The Doctor is a popsicle? Come on Yates to the rescue!! Earthquake! Ah… I see, it’s a giant pony YAy! For helicopter Yates and Benton! And Benton in a blue windbreaker? I love them in civies THE BRIG IS IN BED!!! Lolz Benton is a knight in shining armour… XD OMGosh! Benton’s doing Venusian Aikido… or something. It’s awesome. NOOO! BENTON!!! Eureka!! The milkman goes boom? Poor Benton Ha, the Brig’s swagger stick is put to good use Bessie! The Devil is a man in spandex??? With his tongue sticking out??? Oh dear… I’m not sure if that was supposed to be scary or funny… GRrrRoooaRRR I’m wearing spandex!! OooooOooo WEEEEEEe Oooooooooooo! Recap YES! Three shouting Venusian Lullabies at the devil. Gotta love Three. I am the Master! I control a power which can save this world. Oh dear… the master is passing wind… O.o Magic! Science! Magic! Science! Lol Poor Brig is being cut out of the loop “WITH HORNS!” they’re Daemons! From the planet Demos! Welll… hmmm, someone got creative in the naming department “all we need to do is look for a creature which is either too small to see or thirty feet tall, that can freeze us to death or burn us to death” Okay… I’ve decided that I love Yates And the Master hypnotises everyone “I’m not going to sit here like a spare lemon waiting for the squeezer” The Brig is awesome win. The master is so deliciously evil And Yates get knocked out by being hit on the shoulder… That’s right Yates, go chase a helicopter on your motorcycle This is the best helicopter-Bessie chase EVER! And, as a side-note, I love that Benton and Yates are both apparently expert helicopter pilots… Jo! He SAID hang on tight! Three. On a motorcycle. Win. “Impossible? According to classical aerodynamics it is impossible for a bumblebee to fly!” hmmm… bit off a bit more than you can chew there Master? Ooooo EEEEeeee WWOoooooooOooo Nice, short recap Lol, the Master is attempting to fend off the devil with a candle holder. “Back! Back you demon! BaaAack!” Sneaky!Jo is sneaky “Reverse it” “Reverse what?” “REVERSE THE POLARITY!” Brig “you DO know what you’re doing?” Doctor “My dear chap, I can’t wait to find out” The Master looks absolutely terrified, but he’s still scheming. I kind of want to give him a hug. Okay… now he’s all like, I’m still alive! Must laugh maniacally! Oh Noes! Jo’s bush is catching fire! MOTORCYCLE + THREE FTW Okay, Jo’s fine I’m quickly falling in love with Yates. He is verily awesome. NO DON’T SHOT AT MOTORCYCLE THREE! so not cool Benton is also awesome WTH?? What’s with the random dancing people? And the man covered in newspapers Oh, I see… it’s May Day… I don’t think the Doctor wants to join your dance… Go Benton! Or not… No! The Doctor isn’t a witch! He’s the Great Wizard Qui Quae Quod.lol I love Benton so much right now YES! Bessie! “How on earth did you do that?” “Elemental my dear Benton” XDD Jo! face!palm Here comes Azal… getting bigger and bigger… Oooooo WEEeeeeeee OOOOOOOooooooo Short re-cap Wait… is Benton wearing PINK pants??? Poor Yates And Jo!! “We’re facing the greatest danger the world has ever known…” Again? Lol Whoot! You can’t keep a good Yates down! Master, human sacrifices are so passee. Oh dear, It’s the SPANDEX MONSTER AGAIN! Doctor to the rescue! ….or not Jenkins, chap with the wings there. Five rounds rapid WHOOOT! Three is going all environmentalist XDD Benton is so happy to have a bazooka XD He has this great sappy grin Hmm… I think Jo just saved the world, but I really have no clue how Church goes boom! The Master knocks Benton over with his cape? Bessie is a good car! Aww… I think Benton has a crush on the witch lady (and vice versa) Now everyone is dancing… except… Yates “Fancy a dance Brigadier?” Brig “Kind of you Captain Yates… I’d rather have a pint” XDDD
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Post by Stripes on Sept 21, 2008 15:18:52 GMT
Watched the first part. Going to watch the secound part tonight. The Master being all religious is kind of scary.
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Post by magnusgreel on Sept 21, 2008 15:39:22 GMT
I like the comments as always cp... now you're ready for the reunion video, return to Devil's End or something. I've only seen this in b&w. I can never remember the plot, while I seem to have all others memorized, so it's like watching it new again. I enjoy the force field around the town for some reason, and the effect's not bad. The magical stuff tends to bother me, in a science-fiction show, despite Three's protestations about science underpinning everything.
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Post by clocketpatch on Sept 21, 2008 15:59:59 GMT
I liked it, especially Benton and Yates, and Bessie. The ending kind of confused me though. I still have no idea how Jo saved the world. It was all a bit hasty and odd.
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Post by jjpor on Sept 21, 2008 21:52:41 GMT
As I think I've said before, this and the Sea Devils were the first Three stories I ever saw, and the only ones I saw for quite a few years, so they both made a big impression on me. I like this one; the regulars are all good value, here, and Delgado is as solid as ever. The vicar persona suits him - I like the scene where he's debating with the witch woman. And the 70s glasses. Great disguise, still needs to work on the false-name thing. He's quite scary during the black magic scenes. Jo doesn't half believe in some hippy, trippy stuff, although the Doctor could be a bit more polite and tolerant in trying to dissuade her from her folly; there's more than a bit of "let's laugh at the poor, gullible little girly", I seem to remember. Three, you self-satisfied git! The Brig has a social life - amazing! I wonder if he took Doris to this regimental bash, or was it all lads together and irresponsible macho bonding stuff? I can imagine the Brig going in for the latter, somehow, maybe rnding up in some scandal story in the News of the World. Benton does strike me as the ballroom dancing type, actually. Like Cpt Yates, he doesn't seem particularly successful with the ladies, but unlike Yatesy, he seems kind of at peace with himself. Good old Benton. Poor, confused Mike Yates - you can see his heart breaking a little when the Brig doesn't want to dance with him... This is probably the point where he decided to throw his lot in with the dinosaur-conspiracy men, LOL. I think all of the black-magicky, satanist stuff, while going against the grain of the show's scientific ethos, was something that was sort of fashionable at the time, looking at horror films etc. from this era. A bit like the post-hippy tripe Jo comes out with. Quite, er...interesting subject matter for what was, technically speaking, a kid's show! Ah, Bok the gargoyle - "five rounds rapid!" - marvellous. The death of Azal, I seem to remember, is a variant on the time-honoured "talk the computer to death" technique, as pioneered and used on numerous occasions by Cpt James T. Kirk, and also deployed by Seven when he had that little Dalek problem. I, too, am still a little bit hazy on how Jo saved the world, but a good time was had by all, anyway, and it seems churlish to disagree.
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Post by Stripes on Sept 25, 2008 18:14:27 GMT
Great news! Daemons is my second OldWho that I have watched from beginning to end!
I enjoyed it very much. Great one liners and Benton is nothing but love. His smile is priceless.
The costumes were terrible but that what made it so great. Though the Devil was impressive. They spend some time and money on him.
OldWho is wining me over.
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Post by clocketpatch on Sept 25, 2008 18:35:03 GMT
that same account has got the majority of Pyramids of Mars up. That's a real classic. I recomend it for your third Who.
Classic Who = win
Benton = LOVE
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Post by magnusgreel on Sept 25, 2008 20:22:25 GMT
OldWho is wining me over. It's a long, glorious process. Enjoy it.
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Post by jjpor on Sept 26, 2008 20:45:34 GMT
Interesting thing: in the first black magic ritual, the Master says "To do my will shall be the whole of the law", which is actually a deliberate misquotation from 20th Century occultist/countercultural guru/bad dude Aleister Crowley. The original quote is "To do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", expressing individualism and freedom (from morality - so not entirely a positive thing) - of course, the Master, control freak/megalomaniac that he is puts his own spin on it. Quite strong stuff for a kid's show, anyway. Not that Classic Who was ever a stranger to "strong stuff for a kid's show"
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Post by Stripes on Sept 26, 2008 21:20:30 GMT
OldWho is wining me over. It's a long, glorious process. Enjoy it. Oh I am. Oh I am. I am sick today so I am going to watch lots of Oldwho/NuWho/USA debate.
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Post by Stripes on Sept 26, 2008 21:22:06 GMT
Interesting thing: in the first black magic ritual, the Master says "To do my will shall be the whole of the law", which is actually a deliberate misquotation from 20th Century occultist/countercultural guru/bad dude Aleister Crowley. The original quote is "To do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", expressing individualism and freedom (from morality - so not entirely a positive thing) - of course, the Master, control freak/megalomaniac that he is puts his own spin on it. Quite strong stuff for a kid's show, anyway. Not that Classic Who was ever a stranger to "strong stuff for a kid's show" Doctor Who really isn't a kids show, no matter how many times BBC claims it is. The idea was for kids, but it turned into an adult show. It really has.
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Post by Aldebaran on Sept 27, 2008 5:17:48 GMT
Because all the kids have grown up and are passing it on. I'm a proud second-generation whovian myself. I loved both "Daemons" and "Pyramids of Mars". Great episodes. And the gargoyle costume cracks me up every time I see it.
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Post by magnusgreel on Sept 27, 2008 16:55:44 GMT
Actually, it stopped being a children's show as soon as Barry Letts and Pertwee appeared. From then on, there seemed to be a struggle between those who wanted it adult and others, the BBC in general maybe, who thought of it as that 60s kid's show.
I thought that when RTD brought it back, the idea of the children's show was long dead and would never come back, thanks to the novels, which had been the only thing keeping DW alive all those years. RTD has had blatant kids' stories though, like The Idiot's Lantern... alright, the business with the family was more adult, but the actual story premise was a sort of kid's fairy story.
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Post by clocketpatch on Sept 27, 2008 18:13:56 GMT
Eh? I *like* The Idiot's Lantern. Personaly, I don't mind if something is aimed at children or adults so long as the plot is there. There's this weird way people look at children's programming (books as well as television) as if it is somehow inferrior or less deep. The Sarah-Jane adventures haven't been shying away from important issues. Some of the ideas brought up in that show are really quite mature.
Torchwood on the other hand...
See, Doctor Who has a nice middle ground; it's enough of an adult show that the writers aren't afraid to (or at least shouldn't be afraid to) examine very mature issues, but enough of a children's show that... usually... most of the language sex and nudity gets editeds out (usually...)
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Post by magnusgreel on Sept 27, 2008 21:51:02 GMT
I don't like it when the premise in a DW story is magical. A series that's about magic, fine, but not in DW. I like the family stuff (it really does need to be said out loud that there are people like that father, and I love Tennant's "But I'M NOT LISTENING!!!" What I wouldn't have given for Ten to storm into our house in the 60s...), but magic goes against so much of what's valuable about DW that it would take me a lot of time and thought to figure it all out and explain. (It's just occurred to me that there's a lot to talk about there.)
Your essence isn't your face. It can't be sucked off of your head and put into a TV. It would not then look out at you, alive, from the cathode-ray tube. That's just an electronic picture. The faceless people would suffocate. I do know we all know that, but it bears saying anyway. I don't think this is fannish nitpicking. I can't explain why right now, sorry.
First season Star Trek did that terrifying image of the faceless human being. It may have been the worst single moment of terror I've ever experienced, apart grom the neurological stuff of mine. ("Charlie X") It even seems as if it had a magical cause in the story, because it was a nearly omnipotent being who did it, and we couldn't see how he did it. Still, no talk about "essence", no faces in TVs. The woman's face was changed by mental power, and she groped her way around a corner unable to see or breathe. Presumably she died soon after.
If anything can happen, whether it makes sense or not, it's not scary or even interesting, I think. Magic violates DW as much as it would if the Doctor started beating up his enemies or shooting them, I think.
You're right about how... well, I think the US and UK define shows for children differently. I don't know about Canada. Here, we think that means naive or unintelligent programming, whereas in the UK, I think they recognize that they are us, and that children become adults, and are an audience that must be respected.
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Post by jjpor on Sept 27, 2008 22:03:29 GMT
Actually, it stopped being a children's show as soon as Barry Letts and Pertwee appeared. From then on, there seemed to be a struggle between those who wanted it adult and others, the BBC in general maybe, who thought of it as that 60s kid's show. Well, as the great Robert Holmes said: "Of course it's no longer a children's programme. Parents would be terribly irresponsible to leave a six-year-old to watch it alone. It's geared to the intelligent fourteen-year-old, and I wouldn't let any child under ten see it." Of course, after Holmes and Hinchcliffe moved on, the Beeb hierarchy passed the word down that all of this nasty business with Hammer Horror movie tropes etc. had to end, which led to the (at times overly) comical tone of the later Baker, T, era. Personally, I like both the Holmes/Hinchcliffe era and the Williams era (especially during Douglas Adams's involvement), for different reasons. And then JNT came along, and on paper, his desire to get the show back to basics, with more seriousness and science fiction as opposed to comedy, should have been a good thing. Didn't quite work out that way. Someone said that the worst thing that can happen to a science fiction series is when it starts to get made by and for the hardcore fans, and they may well be right.
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Post by jjpor on Sept 27, 2008 22:34:16 GMT
RTD has had blatant kids' stories though, like The Idiot's Lantern... alright, the business with the family was more adult, but the actual story premise was a sort of kid's fairy story. I wanted to like this one, but it didn't do much for me. Which is frustrating, because I know for a fact from his other work (League of Gentlemen, etc.) that Mark Gatiss is a formidably good writer and performer, yet his work for NuWho has, by and large, not been up to scratch. His New Adventures novel, Nightshade, on the other hand, was excellent. Maybe I didn't really like this one because by this point in Season Two, the Ten/Rose relationship had really started to irk me - she was much, much less annoying when she was with Nine. I really liked Jamie Foreman's turn as the malevolent Dad, though; he surpassed the script, actually. I think everybody knows someone like that - usually, unfortunately, within their own family. Foreman (son, interestingly, of notorious gangland boss Freddie "Managing Director of British Organised Crime" Foreman, who is allegedly a reformed character these days) is one of those Brit actors whose face you see everywhere, at least on this side of the pond, and who should be better known really. Magic and Who is a whole nother topic - I think it comes down to this; where we have magic, such as in the Daemons, etc, it should be explainable via some technobabble or psi powers or something - the "any sufficiently advanced science" route, and hence the Doctor should have a fighting chance of countering it. When impossible things happen for no reason, then it does rob any drama or tension from the piece, as seems to happen all too often during the RTD era (I really, really, don't want to be another RTD-basher, but he just makes it so damn easy!)
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Post by clocketpatch on Sept 27, 2008 22:39:15 GMT
And then JNT came along, and on paper, his desire to get the show back to basics, with more seriousness and science fiction as opposed to comedy, should have been a good thing. Didn't quite work out that way. Someone said that the worst thing that can happen to a science fiction series is when it starts to get made by and for the hardcore fans, and they may well be right. As the wise room mate sayth "thou shalt not commend power into the hands of the fangirl or the fanboy for they art fickle and know not what they desire"
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Post by jjpor on Sept 27, 2008 22:43:37 GMT
As the wise room mate sayth "thou shalt not commend power into the hands of the fangirl or the fanboy for they art fickle and know not what they desire" Verily, thine roommate doth speak some fundamental truth there - I find her teachings intriguing and wish to subscribe to her newsletter.
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