kirkg
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Post by kirkg on Jul 10, 2011 6:43:00 GMT
I guess I shouldn't judge until I've actually seen an episode with him in it, eh? It just struck me about the beatles haircut when I saw it and the time period is right too.
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Post by clocketpatch on Jul 10, 2011 17:19:18 GMT
Two is verily awesome (he's Neil Gaiman AND Matt Smith's favourite for a reason you know... where did you think that bow tie came from?) and his kilt-wearing companion is one of the most popular in the history of the show. It's a crying shame so many of their episodes were burninated.
For a first Two episode I suggest The Invasion. It's got Cybermen, the Brig, Benton, Jamie, Zoe, random super computers, and some very iconic shots. Half of it is missing and has been reconstructed with flash animation, but that's got its own charm in that it's allowed for some retroactive background continuity placements (watch elevator shafts for Easter eggs).
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Post by jjpor on Jul 10, 2011 21:11:04 GMT
I am concerned that we are going to wind up with a banner that promotes Dr. Who as a middle aged man wearing a beatles haircut. Is that really the image we want to project? a 1960d Beatles hair-cut? Yes. Yeah, Two is the Swinging Sixties Doctor in a way One never quite managed (being a sedate elderly gent like he was); the haircut is the least of it. ;D The thing is that so many of Two's stories got the BBC slash-and-burn treatment back in the day they were trying to save videotape or archive space or whatever, so only exist now in partial form or only audio tracks and photographs - including what were by all accounts some of his best stories, unfortunately. I think Clocket makes a good choice with The Invasion, because it not only is a pretty excellent Two story but it sort of gets you used to the kind of thing you're going to be seeing a lot if you watch any Three. The Mind Robber is another decent one, if very strange and trippy (Swinging Sixties, what can I say?). I think The War Games, the very last Two story, is pretty accessible and very good, too, but the only thing is that it's VERY long (ten episodes?), so there is that. Going off for a moment on a weird tangent about Doctor heights - it's all true about McGann. He was standing on a box for most of his closeups...and apparently also in some publicity shots to make him look significantly taller than Sylvester McCoy. Which poses the obvious question - would a short actor have any chance of being cast as the Doctor in NuWho (I was thinking only the other day that Toby "Dream Lord" Jones would make an excellent Doctor but would never get the part because nowadays Doctors seem to need to be youngish and kind of good-looking, for television exec definitions of good-looking).
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Post by aquabluejay on Jul 10, 2011 21:18:20 GMT
I've only watched "Tomb of the Cybermen" with him, but I want to see more! ^^
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Post by jjpor on Jul 10, 2011 21:24:34 GMT
That's a good one too, definitely - if not the all-time legendary classic everybody thought it must be during the years when it was "missing". But yes, another good choice and the Cybermen are pretty excellently creepy in it too. I mean, the thing about Troughton and his companions is that they're so likeable and engaging that they make even the not-as-good stories very watchable. There are some pretty thin Two stories, but they're generally worth watching for that reason.
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Post by clocketpatch on Jul 10, 2011 22:05:11 GMT
I was going to suggest the Mind Robber - it was the first Two I saw myself - because it is so delightfully trippy (it starts with a unicorn and just doesn't stop) but I think that it is overall more enjoyable if you've got a firm base in who the characters are before they start getting their faces randomly switched around.
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Post by jjpor on Jul 11, 2011 19:44:17 GMT
I was going to suggest the Mind Robber - it was the first Two I saw myself - because it is so delightfully trippy (it starts with a unicorn and just doesn't stop) but I think that it is overall more enjoyable if you've got a firm base in who the characters are before they start getting their faces randomly switched around. Me too - I think I first saw it in 1993 when they repeated one story for each Doctor as part of the commemorating the 30th anniversary. I'd already seen Two and Jamie (and Zoe, kind of, for about a second!) in The Two Doctors and The Five Doctors, so I kind of knew who they were, but The Mind Robber was my first "proper" exposure to them. Actually, it was either that or Seeds of Death, which I saw on rented VHS tape about the same time...can't remember which came first. So, there's a coincidence. ;D And you're right, it might not be the best introduction to Two and co, all things considered (it is very, very strange)...
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Post by primsong on Jul 12, 2011 2:00:15 GMT
It could be worse - I think the first one I saw him in was The Dominators.... attack of the men who wear giant twinkies! The Quarks and other fun stuff made up for all the styrofoam rocks and quasi-Greeks wearing drapery, but he really did have better stories out there.
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Post by jjpor on Jul 12, 2011 20:42:23 GMT
You're right, Prim - I take it all back. ;D At least Mind Robber is one of the better Two stories...
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Post by clocketpatch on Jul 13, 2011 1:26:08 GMT
Oh gawds, not the Dominators. Invasion of the giant shoulder pads...
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