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Post by Maggadin on Aug 14, 2011 22:07:03 GMT
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kirkg
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Post by kirkg on Aug 15, 2011 0:13:54 GMT
Wow! That was a huge list of secret fandom confessions! I had no idea people posted their inner darkest fantasies over top of screen pics taken from their favorite fiction! Some of them were creepy!
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Post by jjpor on Aug 15, 2011 21:39:42 GMT
To be fair, the person does say they sound like "some sort of horribly pretentious "It's 2 DEEP 4 U!" fanboy". And to be honest, as I've said before and I'll say again, some people directing criticisms at the Eleven era doth protest a little bit too much - there are definitely fans out there who base their criticisms on a very narrow understanding of Doctor Who, criticising Eleven basically for not being like Ten without realising that their arguments are basically demolished by the behaviour of some of the pre-2005 Doctors. Worse, there are "fans" who deliberately and rather dishonestly misread or overreact to various aspects of the current era in order to support their basically Eleven-bashing and Moffat-bashing fanw*nk agendas. Now, I hope you know, Maggadin that I don't include you in either of those categories. I know your dislike for Ten-era Who is very nearly as confirmed as your dislike for Moffat's period as showrunner. And you base your arguments on some very clearly-defined principles and an expansive knowledge of Doctor Who and its history, so honestly, while I don't always agree with you on every point, you know I respect what you're saying and listen to it, right? Same goes for Magnus, and another acquaintance of mine over on LJ who are pretty consistent in their disdain for just about all of the new series, but while, unlike them, I can and do derive entertainment value and enjoyment out of the current version of the new series, I do think just about all of their points about its lack of depth and genuine intelligence (as opposed to gee-whiz plot convolutions) compared to the old series at its height are pretty much bang on the money. On the other hand, there are people whose apparent love and advocacy for Moffat and Eleven and their unwillingness to even acknowledge that people might have good reasons for not unreservedly liking it, are frankly embarrassing. As if they might feel invalidated as human beings or something if their current TV programme of choice turned out not to be the perfectest thing ever. I hope that even when I am one of my Eleven-supporting upswings I never quite stray into that sort of territory. So, you know, my position remains that while Moffat definitely does have his shortcomings as a showrunner, and he did kind of shake my faith in his abilities a bit with the rubbish that was AGMGTW and some of the other choices he's made lately, I still think he's a pretty good television writer, and that Eleven's a pretty, strike that, extremely, good Doctor and that even mediocre Eleven stories are easily on a par with most of Ten, and the best Eleven stories blow about 75% of RTD's efforts cleanly out of the water. None of it compares to the old series in its pomp, though. But you know, I don't think that post is the most egregious example of what you're talking about I've ever seen. And conversely while not liking Moffat's work doesn't make you mentally deficient, liking it doesn't make you a gullible dupe and an oppressor of others either.
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Post by Maggadin on Aug 15, 2011 21:47:53 GMT
Now, have I said that liking him makes anybody a ''gullible dupe''? Also, the poster did say ''90 %'', which is just bollocks, IMO. ETA: I was also referring to the first commenter to that secret who said ''People are just too dumb to notice.'' Yeah, I already know I am, but...
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Post by jjpor on Aug 15, 2011 22:01:24 GMT
Well, you know what they say - 97.58% of statistics are completely meaningless. ;D There's a lot of hyperbole going around in Who fandom lately, that's for certain. I'm sort of thinking nowadays - how come we can kind of acknowledge the rubbish bits of old Who, even the ones we like, and sort of laugh along with it and at it in a non-nasty way while still thoroughly enjoying it, and yet so many of the discussions you see about the current series get so adversarial and unproductive because nobody wants to admit the other side even has a point. Even the idea of there being an "other side" isn't helping matters, really. I'm kind of dreading the new series starting in another couple of weeks, not for anything to do with the show itself, just for the sheer volume of w*nkery I know is going to erupt... You've never called anybody a gullible dupe. I do get the impression, though, that you maybe think many of those of us who are generally positive about Moffat-Who are a bit naive or have drunk the kool-aid or something. And gawd knows, some of us probably have. You know, all of this stuff is just talk - people feeling big and bold because they've got a keyboard and a screen and half a planet between them and the person they're engaging with. I know it's not easy, but I wouldn't take it too personally myself.
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Post by Maggadin on Aug 15, 2011 22:08:34 GMT
OK, how about the secret that said ''If you don't like Moffat's Who I honestly believe you are some sort of stupid'' and referred to their friends who didn't like Moffat as ''mentally subpar''? Yes, it literally used those words.
No, I don't think that of any of you. Sorry if I came across that way. *whips self*
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