THEY'VE DESTROYED OUR SHOW!!!

[reversethepolarity]

Oct 15, 2010 22:14:46 GMT Maggadin said:

RtP, after reading your post I actually agree with you. It would have been interesting to see the Doctor truly face his own mortality. A thought, though: Maybe the whole thirteen thing was actually not a biological thing, but a rule put in force on Gallifrey, in order to prevent Time Lords from living forever for various reasons. This would mean that renegade Time Lords wouldn't necessarily follow it, and now that there is no Gallifrey there really is no reason whatsoever.

Oct 14, 2010 15:25:57 GMT reversethepolarity said:

I I can finally believe that Sarah Jane ran off with Harry and lived happily ever after. That's how I choose to look at all this anyway. I'll just put SJA firmly in the realm of Unbound Stories and be done with it.

Yay, another Sarah/Harry shipper! I like to believe that they were together. In my fanon, Harry died of aftereffects from Skaro. He was the elephant in the room during School Reunion and actually who SJS was talking about when she talked about the man that nobody could compare to. ;D

Someone agrees with me! Yay! = ) And yeah, I've thought that for a while, and I actually think that's right. Rassilon put the 13 cap into effect, as I recall (in the books) and he did it for that reason. But I don't think renegade Time Lords lose the cap, as evidenced by the Master. After Delgado, it became a big part of his story that he was out of lives and that Ainley was in his 14th body and looking for away to get a new cycle.

And oh my Rassilon! I am now going to rewatch School Reunion with that in mind. That's great. And you know (again, in the books) Harry goes on to do all that super spy stuff and even travel with the Sixth Doctor for a time. One could easily insert the idea that Harry and Sarah did marry but then Harry had to go on some mission and never came back. Being a spy, Sarah might not be able to tell people what happened to Harry or even that they were married, which is why she never mentions it. But he could really be off traveling with the Doctor. = ) And one day he'll come back and it'll be the best finale of SJA ever! (If only Ian Marter were still alive.) At least, that's how I'll choice to look at it. When I'm not just ignoring SJA and going with 'and then Harry and Sarah lived happily ever after, the end.' = )

[jjpor]

Yeah, I'm sort of with Maggadin on the subject of Sarah/Harry - it's one I just want to be true, regardless of what canon or fanon or anything else has to say on the matter... I think they were good together, even if he did spend his time annoying her with his bumbling, well-meaning male chauvinism. But yeah, if we acknowledge SJA's continuity it's clear he's not around any more and hasn't been for some time. So, there's clearly unhappy history there (and I think it's a better explanation for Sarah's reaction in School Reunion and after - well, better than her going off relatively content at the end of Hand of Fear and then suddenly deciding one day - hey, wait, shouldn't I be more bitter about the Doctor leaving me etc??! ;D)

[raynbowz]

I, for one, am rather upset at this turn of events. They are changing an integral part of Who for no reason other than convenience for them, and with absolutely no explanation. That's just not right. At least come up with some reason why it's so rather than just make him immortal. Although that DOES explain why Rassilon came back . . .

[clocketpatch]

They haven't made him immortal though, fortunately, I hope. Though... functionally, I supposed. But Eleven says the line in such a please-stop-pestering-me-now way that the truth behind it is anyone's game.

[reversethepolarity]

I completely agree with Clocket. I was really upset about this when I first heard about it, like you, Rayn, but after I actually watched the episode I lost all animosity. The way he says the line is very 'blow Clyde off.' It was said quickly, not given much thought, and he gives an insane number like 'oh, I have 526 million regenerations,' or something like that. It just didn't seem like he was taking the question seriously and I don't think he gave a very serious response.

[jjpor]

I suppose it is quite plausible in Eleven's case that even if the answer to the "how many times can you regenerate?" question was "never again, due to unforseen circumstances surrounding the whole Pandorican incident", he'd still probably go "five hundred and seven" or whatever. Witness his (non)reaction to Sarah's efforts to find out exactly what happened to Ten.

Having said that, with the way the line was actually written and delivered, I feel a bit of a dope for buying into the ignorant newspaper hype and starting this thread in the first place. It did generate some interesting discussion, I suppose. There is that. ;D Personally I don't consider the thirteen regenerations thing to be one of those basic-integral-tenets-of-the-programme-touch-it-Moffat-and-suffer-the-consequences issues, but I honestly don't think somebody who did would have anything to worry about - the whole thing was so ambiguous as to remain wide open to interpretation, which is probably the most prudent way to go about it, I suppose.

Hmm - nearly said something complimentary about RTD again. I'm slipping. ;D