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Post by aquabluejay on Oct 5, 2011 1:25:51 GMT
here here! Magnus I may have to incorporate that into my life view!! That already is my life view...
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Post by primsong on Oct 5, 2011 2:13:54 GMT
Ooo, I love the Master in green that way, it suits him considering it is Tradition that all Evil Things glow with a green light in Who.
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Post by magnusgreel on Oct 12, 2011 18:55:18 GMT
here here! Magnus I may have to incorporate that into my life view!! Really, we might end up living in a much more interesting world, if a lot more people stopped settling for what we're told is the "real world". A lot of harsh realities have to be met and acknowledged and dealt with, but too many people lose themselves in the things that are deadly dull about this society, the work, the problems, the utilitarian stuff we have to do to stay alive, and mock people who lose themselves in imagination.
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Post by kirkg on Oct 14, 2011 1:50:19 GMT
Wait....is the Master really gone, and out of the series?
I had heard that he was the 25th reincarnation of the Doctor...and that anything that goes through that many regenerations "goes sour" or turns bad...(much like the rebrith/reincarnation that we saw in Pet Semetary by Stephen King.) At least, that was my thought.... and that's why the doctor had such a hard time defeating him....cause he already knew what the doctor was thinking, before he could do it.
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Post by clocketpatch on Oct 14, 2011 4:32:16 GMT
25th incarnation? I've never heard that. Interesting...
I think that they are separate people in canon currently. The Doctor has enough dark alter-egos to fill that position: the Valyard, the Dream Lord, the Doctor himself without any alteration when he decides to go all Time Lord Victorious...
But the characters were originally one and the same. There was meant to be a third Doctor story - and it would have been the last Master story - where the Master would have been revealed as the Doctor's dark id side, and the Master would then sacrifice himself to save the Doctor and they would become one again. Very zen. Very Three-era. Delgado's death stopped it from getting to the filming stage and so the character lived on. I've always found that vaguely unsettling to tell the truth.
In my personal canon they were the same person originally, but split when they were forced to look into the Untempered Schism as a child - one half stayed and listened to the drums, the other half made a choice and ran, ran, ran so far away. My personal canon is strange and messed up. :/
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Post by aquabluejay on Oct 14, 2011 10:59:48 GMT
That actually makes a certain amount of sense...
You know what would be really crazy? What if they are actually the same person, same regeneration and everything, but maybe the Master is just a disguise or something, he certainly seems to dress up enough himself, what's to say that's his true face? Maybe the Doctor also travels around in time between companions, playing his own worst enemy...
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Post by kirkg on Oct 14, 2011 17:21:24 GMT
Or, maybe it was supposed to be the 13th regeneration... I forget now. The word came down someplace in the Tom Baker era as I recall.
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Post by johne on Oct 27, 2012 10:22:41 GMT
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Post by magnusgreel on Oct 27, 2012 11:26:37 GMT
Now that's unsettling....
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Post by primsong on Oct 28, 2012 0:19:21 GMT
Somehow it doesn't surprise me that Rusty wanted a giggling lunatic.
Sigh.
Ah, for the Delgado days... hand him a cigar and make him an Ambassador to the Planet of the Widgets and he would do it sooo smoothly.
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Post by jjpor on Oct 28, 2012 18:36:17 GMT
I think that is my main beef with Rusty, as much as I may have softened my position on him over the years - obviously a very capable guy, good TV writer when he allowed himself to be, wouldn't have the new series without him etc etc etc. But no taste, or indeed sense of restraint.
So yes, very much like the story of Ainley and JNT. And just as Ainley got a well-deserved and very well-played swansong in Survival, so I wouldn't mind seeing Simm get another go. Because as we know, the Master always comes back.
But yes, I'd like the next Master to be a bit more Delgado-esque in characterisation. It'd be a nice change of pace, if nothing else.
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Post by aquabluejay on Oct 29, 2012 15:33:24 GMT
I loved sum Mazter but it would be hilarious to have he next Master be all dapper and composed Delgado or Ainley style. Imagine him showing up, ready to do the whole gentlemen nemesis thing and being concerned by Eleven. He'd lose it. ;-)
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Post by jjpor on Oct 29, 2012 19:18:01 GMT
He would probably consider that you used to get a better class of gentleman rivals in the good old days. ;D
I half-expect, one of these days, to see that Moffat has cast his apparent BFF Mark Gatiss as the Master, played somewhat in the style of his Mycroft in Sherlock (and Gatiss has form - played the Master in at least one Big Finish audio, iirc).
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Post by aquabluejay on Oct 30, 2012 1:18:44 GMT
As brilliant as that would be, Gratis has already headlined as a villain in NuWho a la 'The Lazarus Experiment'.
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