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Post by Abbyromana on Oct 17, 2007 22:47:57 GMT
I'm curious. I recently got into a discussion with my brother about this classic arch villian. We were discussing the fact that supposedly Mister Saxon was an anagram for Six Master, but we argued over who the six would be According, to him there have actually been more than six actors who have played him. Can anyone tell me who for sure has played him? And who would be considered the six? I'd ever so be in your debt if you could help me.
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Post by clocketpatch on Oct 18, 2007 2:03:48 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeBv7Ma4M4oI think this vid answers your question very nicely... and even if you can't view it for internet reasons, all of the Masters are named in the summary tags
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Post by Abbyromana on Mar 11, 2008 21:13:36 GMT
I thought, even though, it's been a bit, I should thank you for this answer. But still I've found more than Six actors playing the Master.... *heavy sigh* So I'll just have to be happy with that. Still thanks! www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeBv7Ma4M4oI think this vid answers your question very nicely... and even if you can't view it for internet reasons, all of the Masters are named in the summary tags
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Post by magnusgreel on Jun 5, 2008 21:09:12 GMT
SPOILER:
Counting Jacobi, Saxon would be #7.
Delgado Pratt Beevers Ainley Roberts Jacobi
Then Saxon, don't know actor's name. Was the regeneration at the end of Utopia a later change?
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Post by Kit on Jun 5, 2008 22:18:18 GMT
The Beeb can't count, that's the only explanation I can think off.
And John Simm is the name you're looking for.
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Post by primsong on Jan 20, 2009 20:12:02 GMT
Out of curiosity, is there a 'generally accepted' title for that rather cadaverous puppet version? The discussion regarding the talking cabbage brought it to mind. I've seen: Muppet!Master Puppet!Master Crispy!Master Decaying!Master
I'm sure there must be others for this bug-eyed, tattered chap.
I rather like "muppet" and "crispy" myself. A bit like the debate on whether a certain NuWho creation is "10.5" or "Handy".
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Post by clocketpatch on Jan 21, 2009 3:16:19 GMT
I call them Crispy!Master and Handjob respectively.
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Post by evelyn on Jan 21, 2009 6:05:50 GMT
Didn't Ten actually call him "Handy" at some point during the abominable chaos-fest episode?
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Post by Starflower on Feb 11, 2009 4:13:26 GMT
I just watched The Mind of Evil and Delgado is amazing! But why does the Master smoak in this episode and in no other? It's a mystery.
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Post by Stripes on Feb 11, 2009 4:17:16 GMT
I just watched The Mind of Evil and Delgado is amazing! But why does the Master smoak in this episode and in no other? It's a mystery. He was trying to look cool. At those times smoking was cool. But he failed at looking cool. So he threw it out. Truth be told he hates smoking.
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Post by magnusgreel on Feb 11, 2009 4:26:56 GMT
I just pictured the Master (in my head, always Delgado) orchestrating some vast scheme to enslave the world, all the while trying to quit smoking, using all the usual methods, nicotine patches on his arm, etc..
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Post by primsong on Feb 11, 2009 5:22:07 GMT
Magnus, you must write us a cranky NicotineDeprived!Master ficlet, you must!
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Post by jjpor on Feb 11, 2009 19:53:10 GMT
I think Newton may have hit it on the head there - he was trying to be cool like the cool kids. I think Time Lords can probably just quit, because after all One did have that pipe for all of one episode or so, never to be seen again afterwards.
Actually, the cigar might have just been part of his disguise - method acting, you know? For some reason, though, ever since I first saw that I've always imagined Delgado!Master smoking a fine cigar, maybe with some ridiculously expensive brandy, as he plots his next diabolical scheme; it just seems like the kind of thing he would do. The bounder. I bet he eats liver with fava beans and a nice chianti, as well.
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Post by magnusgreel on Feb 11, 2009 21:08:43 GMT
Magnus, you must write us a cranky NicotineDeprived!Master ficlet, you must! Well, alright, but I'm going to have to do some research first, by taking up smoking and then quitting, so I can really understand nicotine withdrawal. Wish me luck! (Thanks.)
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Post by clocketpatch on Feb 11, 2009 21:22:43 GMT
I'm prettty sure Delgado!Master smokes in other episodes...
I second that ficlet, but, um, you aren;t serious are you Magnus...? *is concerned*
smoking is BAD!!
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Post by primsong on Feb 12, 2009 2:25:37 GMT
Aha! So that's why the Master was doing it. We should've guessed. Though I agree, the fine seegar and a snifter of brandy whilst poring over maps of hidden passages all his cohorts are digging. Perfect.
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Post by magnusgreel on Feb 12, 2009 3:50:06 GMT
I'm highly sensitized to smoke and have paid a huge, lasting price for having lived in this building and this town full of smokers, so no I'm not serious.
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Post by jjpor on Feb 21, 2009 16:41:56 GMT
Something I've been musing on, because I am sad like that; does anyone else here go along with the idea that the War Chief in The War Games was an earlier incarnation of the Master? I know obviously, from what IMForeman informs me is the "Doylist" point of view, that the Master wasn't invented before he showed up in Season 8, so obviously that wasn't the intention of the writers, but from the "Watsonian" standpoint, it makes a lot of sense. Think about it: Is an evil Time Lord, check. Wears a lot of black, check. Has a dodgy beard, check. Involves himself in ridiculous plans to cause death and destruction for fun and profit, check.
Now, I know that this is contradicted in the NAs and others of the novels, where it is stated that the Master's original name was Koschei and he was actually some sort of troubleshooter for the CIA before he "turned evil" (if you buy the idea of people just "turning evil"), and moreover that the War Chief regenerated into somebody else entirely and went on to have adventures in Nazi Germany before Seven settled his hash (in Uncle Terry's Timewyrm: Exodus, which in addition to being an Alternative History Nazis-win-the-war story, is also a sequel to the War Games). Still, I adopt the slippery position re the spinoff media that if it didn't actually happen on screen, then I can pick and choose whether it happened at all. Like with John Peel and his goofy fake Skaros etc.
So, is anyone else convinced?
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Post by magnusgreel on Feb 21, 2009 23:12:19 GMT
For me the "canon" is all TV up through the Fox TV film and the novels (Drs 1-8) since they announced at the outset that continuity was important to them, even though I don't know most of the books yet. Since the CDs and RTD Who seem not to care much about continuity with original Who, they're in an unreal zone.
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Post by clocketpatch on Feb 22, 2009 0:42:40 GMT
I'm semi-convinced. I actually thought it *was* the Master the first (and only) time I saw War Games... I didn't yet realise that villain was a Third Doctor invention... the Mind Robber confused me terribly you see...
anyway, my personal canon on the Master is unset. I'm not sure if he's the Doctor's brother, his best friend turned enemy, some random guy he knew at school and didn't really pay attention to (I actually kind of like that idea just for how mundane it is), or if he's the Doctor's weird alter-ego doppelganger or something. Frankly, I don't care. It's more interesting when you don't know for sure, and I'm really, really glad RTD maintained that mystery when he brought the Master back.
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