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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 18, 2011 23:44:14 GMT
YAY! TIME AND SPACE! NEW WHO!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D And I'm not going to say that I wasn't mighty pleased to see it. I did a little dance during the theme music even. But... *rants* I cannot believe that the Moff just did that. Okay so the women can't drive joke was... ish. Offensive. The whole stand there and look pretty while Rory and I do the work was... more offensive. I lik Eleven and Rory, I like to see them getting along, I LIKE IT WHEN THE WHOLE TARDIS GETS ALONG AS A TEAM instead of excluding one member based on gender. But okay. Whatever, maybe Amy is genuinely bad at driving. It happens. I'm not too good at it myself.
Maybe I should wear a short skirt so I can get my license?
The bit with the glass floor... was only funny because I've seen that prompt on the kink meme. Which makes me wonder if the Moff has been... except I think that comment's been circulating fandon for a bit now. Still, that was kind of offensive to both Rory and Amy.
The jumping into the future was funny. The reactions were funny. Amy flirting with herself and Rory wanting a threesome was off-colour but... funny.
The solution being exactly the same as the solution in the Big Bang AND Timecrash makes me wonder if the Moff's creativity is running low, but this is just a quick thing for charity right?
And new Who is always good and I'm happy to have had it but...
I cringed guys. I cringed worse than I did at VOTD (and you can translate that to whichever episode you want.)*
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Post by jjpor on Mar 21, 2011 19:54:23 GMT
*You know, I can't actually disagree with you on any of that. I mean, if I, with my famous (famous to me, anyway) obliviousness to gender-fail until others beat me over the head with it, thought, "well, weren't some of those jokes offensive?" then it must have been bad. Having said that, Matt Smith and Arthur Darvill did not disappoint, and it was nice to see a bit of Eleven-Rory bonding, although what they were bonding over... And I never get sick of timey-wimeyness - I'm easy for that kind of thing. But yes, Amy was quite severely getting the short end of the stick, really.*
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Post by merrythemad on Mar 22, 2011 0:27:01 GMT
i agree it was the same kind of cheating timey-wimeyness that left me feeling dirty and somehow used after BB. Still, I think Eleven said what many of us have been thinking since early series 5 "Pond, put on some trousers!".
Aside from that it was all a bit crass and tawdry. Not even really tongue-in-cheek just blatantly sexual, and (for the record) Amy was offended by the idea of a threesome but was all about extramarital sex with just herself, so threesome with Amy, Amy n Rory =bad but Amy and Amy=good? grrrr
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Post by johne on Mar 22, 2011 20:23:08 GMT
] I wasn't in a particularly good mood when I watched the episodes, for mainly South East Water-related reasons, but I thought the repeated use of the Bootstrap Paradox was getting a bit threadbare. Moff just about got away with it in The Big Bang because there was so much going on, but here, there wasn't.
And, in a similar way to the previous posters, I found the focus on Amy's skirt and whatever she wears under it... unsettling.
On a cheerier note: In the heated debate of the subject on tor.com, one commenter wondered how the Doctor would have reacted if it had been Jamie, rather than Amy, standing on the glass floor. That immediately set me off mentally recasting the whole thing with Two and Jamie, and wondering which of Two's female companions would be most suited to take Rory's place under the floor looking up.[
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Post by Maggadin on Mar 22, 2011 20:57:55 GMT
Eleven looked up Amy's skirt? Moffat really loves to emphasise the The Doctor is a BLOKE thing, doesn't he?
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Post by jjpor on Mar 22, 2011 22:50:19 GMT
*No, it was Rory, but...yeah... And there were "jokes" about women drivers and other unedifying stuff. As Merry says, not so much jokes really as just "heh, wouldn't it be funny to see the Doctor and Rory and Amy being kind of smutty?" Well, I guess it was to an extent, mainly because of the actors' delivery of the frankly lousy lines, but only to that extent.
In answer to johne - Victoria! No, Zoe! No, Victoria! Zoe! Victoria! Polly! I don't know... I can sort of picture Two's flustered reaction though when he's down there working away innocently one day and just happens to glance upwards...*
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Post by johne on Mar 23, 2011 7:57:38 GMT
* In answer to johne - Victoria! No, Zoe! No, Victoria! Zoe! Victoria! Polly! I don't know... I can sort of picture Two's flustered reaction though when he's down there working away innocently one day and just happens to glance upwards...* ] Heh. I threw the question open to the combined wisdom of the two_love community, and they overwhelmingly decided on Two as well.
My personal opinions: Zoe's the most likely companion to be doing techie stuff, but the least likely to get distracted; she might just say 'Well, no surprises there' and dismiss the matter. Polly would blush and make a run for it, while Victoria would scream loudly enough to shatter the glass floor.
And if Sam had become a companion, she'd be lurking down there every day with a periscope and a camera, lying in wait for Jamie.
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Post by jjpor on Mar 24, 2011 23:07:02 GMT
Yes, yes, undoubtedly... ;D
And yes, Victoria's reaction would be the second most entertaining one, I think, after Two's...
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Post by kirkg on May 28, 2011 19:58:01 GMT
I'm sorry but I wasn't really offended by this short comedic skit. I don't care if they made women driver jokes, nor is the bit about the glass floor in poor taste. And if anything, I thought Rory's hesitation over two Amy's was underplayed. So, if anyone really wanted to knitpick, have a fieldday, but you're missing the point. Let's have fun!
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Post by clocketpatch on May 28, 2011 20:41:45 GMT
You're right in that the point is to have fun. If the show isn't entertaining it stops. Plain and simple. Entertainment is its number one goal. I did enjoy bits of the skit, but just because I enjoyed something and had fun with it doesn't mean I'm not going to question what it's saying. This is a show which is watched by many different people of many different ages, and some of the younger ones probably pick up quite a few moral lessons from it. The "you are defined by your gender haha it's funny" message isn't one I want my hypothetical children to be receiving.
Just as the "Yellow Face is acceptable message" in Talons isn't really a message that should be going out there... but I still enjoy Talons. It's very entertaining. It doesn't offend me. But then, I'm not part of the group it's being offensive towards.
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