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Post by johne on Mar 9, 2011 20:55:53 GMT
I'm pretty sure that at some point Sylvester McCoy has delivered the "One day, I will come back" speech from the end of The Dalek Invasion of Earth.
This got me thinking: Take a speech or line by one Doctor, and give it to another. Which line would you choose, and who gets it?
My personal choice would be Eight delivering Seven's speech from Delta and the Bannermen:
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Post by jjpor on Mar 10, 2011 21:42:42 GMT
Hmm, good question johne, and a good choice right there I think. I think I'd like to see Two delivering any of Seven's more dramatic dialogue. The above one would be good, or maybe his confrontation with the two snipers in Happiness Patrol. Or conversely the whole "cities made of smoke" speech from Survival - I think Troughton would really sell that. I think I'd like to see Eleven doing that one two, in the style of his climactic speech from the recent season finale. I'd like to see Seven doing Nine's speech from Bad Wolf (or is it Parting of the Ways?) the "Rose, I'm coming to get you" one. Ten doing Two's line about his family sleeping in his mind "and I forget" from Tomb of the Cybermen, provided he didn't overegg the emotional aspect of it. I'll probably think of more after I've logged off, but those are enough to be going along with for now.
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Post by johne on Mar 11, 2011 20:46:27 GMT
Or conversely the whole "cities made of smoke" speech from Survival - I think Troughton would really sell that. Decided: in my new head-canon he delivered that speech at the end of his last episode as he walked into the sunset, arm in arm with Jamie and Zoë, on the way to untold further adventures. And now I'm all sad that I'll never hear him do it for real I'd also like to hear Eleven do that, given his 'Nothing is ever forgotten, not completely' speech in The Pandorica Opens.
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Post by jjpor on Mar 14, 2011 23:15:29 GMT
Of course, it's people made of smoke and cities of made of smoke, isn't it? I always misquote that, and yet remember the one about the semiotic thickness of a performed text. Work that one out. ;D
The correct answer, of course, is "yes"...
It would have been grand, johne - it ceetainly would... And yes, Eleven doing the Two dialogue in that very quiet, slightly unnerving sort of tone, I can see that too.
I'm thinking that Ten needed some epic comeback to Davros in their confrontation towards the end of Journey's End, you know some stirring moral putdown instead of just wibbling and sort of tacitly admitting that the evil mummified old so and so had a point (he didn't really, imo - or at least, it's a bit rich an absolute piece of slime like Davros questioning anyone's morality on any issue). Something like the well-prepared meal thing Five comes out with in Earthshock, but tweaked to answer the Daleks' particular brand of evil. Any suggestions??
Oh, and I think Seven would nail either of Eleven's big speeches in either The Eleventh Hour or The Pandorica Opens, but possibly with less bravado and more menace. And a bit more gurning, conceivably. And the expression on his face and Ace's reaction if he came as badly unstuck as Eleven does in Pandorica Opens would be priceless... ;D
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Post by johne on Mar 17, 2011 23:11:30 GMT
I'm thinking that Ten needed some epic comeback to Davros in their confrontation towards the end of Journey's End, you know some stirring moral putdown instead of just wibbling and sort of tacitly admitting that the evil mummified old so and so had a point (he didn't really, imo - or at least, it's a bit rich an absolute piece of slime like Davros questioning anyone's morality on any issue). Something like the well-prepared meal thing Five comes out with in Earthshock, but tweaked to answer the Daleks' particular brand of evil. Any suggestions?? I gave this careful consideration over a number of days, but the only thing that came to mind was Jack Nicholson yelling "You can't handle the truth!" Which I can quite see Ten delivering as the Time Lord Victorious, but isn't in the least applicable to Davros.
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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 18, 2011 18:56:35 GMT
It would be sun to hear The Time Lord Victorious give his creepy over the top rendition of most of the other Doctor's speeches really. Him and Zagreus.
That would be one frightening get together.
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Post by aquabluejay on Mar 19, 2011 21:04:23 GMT
Hmmm, interesting prompt... Off the top of my head, I'm thinking that rant that five goes on about humans in "Warriors from the Deep." I think I want eleven to do it. It was cool to hear him go off like he did, but I just felt like he didn't have the physical presence to pull it off in the scene. The whole time he was talking I was imagining what that scene would have been like if nine had been doing it, actually.
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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 19, 2011 21:17:37 GMT
I think that whole episode could do with a face lift really. The idea behind it isn't bad, but the sets are awful (and bouncy) and then there's the Myrka...
And yet it's one of the few Classic stories I have on DVD. Go figure. The commentary is brilliant at least.
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Post by aquabluejay on Mar 19, 2011 21:29:37 GMT
I just read a whole review about it... and yeah.... I was laughing my butt off about the fight scene that's in the recap of part two. It has got to be the clumsiest thing I've ever seen. I now have theories about how the length of the doctor's hair may be proportional to his agility. XD I'm kind of wondering if Davison was sick or something for that episode, he seems kind of slow and unsteady for the whole thing if you watch.
Turlough literally pronouncing the Doctor drowned after three seconds... I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at that one... I did love the Doctor's fall over the railing though! XD
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Post by clocketpatch on Mar 19, 2011 21:55:04 GMT
Oh dear... Yeah, I did a review about it soon after getting the DVD: deathbyaspirin.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fifth&action=display&thread=523 and I've watched it several times since then since I apparently like to torture myself. Still no clue what's going on. Annnnnd back to topic. I'd like to hear Nine and One's take on this speech swap: "If you could touch the alien sand and hear the cries of strange birds, and watch them wheel in another sky, would that satisfy you?"for "Do you know like we were sayin'? About the Earth revolving? It's like when you're a kid. The first time they tell you that the world's turning and you just can't quite believe it 'cause everything looks like it's standin' still. I can feel it. The turn of the Earth. The ground beneath our feet is spinnin' at 1,000 miles an hour and the entire planet is hurtling around the sun at 67,000 miles an hour, and I can feel it. We're fallin' through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go... That's who I am."I also would like to hear Eleven do the "One day I will come back" speech. I was listening to Eight's last monthly audio release yesterday, and I'm not giving spoilers, but he did the speech and I started bawling.
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Post by raynbowz on Mar 20, 2011 3:45:37 GMT
"Do you know like we were sayin'? About the Earth revolving? It's like when you're a kid. The first time they tell you that the world's turning and you just can't quite believe it 'cause everything looks like it's standin' still. I can feel it. The turn of the Earth. The ground beneath our feet is spinnin' at 1,000 miles an hour and the entire planet is hurtling around the sun at 67,000 miles an hour, and I can feel it. We're fallin' through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go... That's who I am." I would like to hear Four give this speech.
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Post by jjpor on Mar 21, 2011 19:47:59 GMT
I think I'd like to hear Four read random selections from the telephone book, tbh. Hmm, maybe the Paris telephone directory? Good one johne - it might not make much sense in the context of the story, but as a completely random interjection... ;D At least it'd make Davros sort of splutter a bit, or I hope it would anyway... Nah, actually, he'd probably just go on some insane fascistic rant about his truth is better than anybody else's so-called truth and how he's going to make the universe accept it etc etc... All of the others are good choices too. I'd like to hear Nine say "would that satisfy you?" in that sort of tone of his. He'd probably follow it up with "...you stupid ape?" depending on whose satisfaction he was enquiring into, of course. ;D
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Post by johne on May 10, 2011 18:30:05 GMT
I'm thinking that Ten needed some epic comeback to Davros in their confrontation towards the end of Journey's End, you know some stirring moral putdown instead of just wibbling and sort of tacitly admitting that the evil mummified old so and so had a point I've no idea why it's taken me till now to think of this (particularly since I remember mentioning it at the time) but the obvious speech to adapt is Two's line from the Moonbase -- "There are some corners of the universe which have bred the most terrible things. Things which act against everything we believe in. They must be fought." Suitably adapted to point out that since Davros goes around attacking people at random, it's a bit rich of him to complain if the Doctor helps them to defend themselves ;D
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Post by jjpor on May 10, 2011 18:35:38 GMT
Nice one . Of course, the Moonbase speech like some of the other Two Cybermen stories had these sort of Cold War "truth, justice and the American way" overtones - I seem to remember some suggestion that the idea of Cybermen as space-Commies was kind of deliberate and down to the then-producer wanting to position the programme as appealing to the US market. Or some probably-erroneous half-remembered factoid like that, anyway ;D But yes, to end my pointless digression, I like those sentiments coming from the Doctor, I like them a lot. You know, he should be claiming the moral high ground from scumbags like Davros and not allowing them to undermine his self-belief in his inherent rightness. I like it. Even when he's wrong about his inherent rightness... Especially when he's wrong, sometimes. ;D
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Post by clocketpatch on May 14, 2011 15:54:48 GMT
Good one Johne! That would've been the perfect come back... *sighs* I will play it over in my head now and admire how great it would've been.
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Post by Maggadin on May 14, 2011 16:37:42 GMT
NGL: I thought this topic was called ''Swapping the Doctor's Speedos''. ;D
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Post by johne on Sept 4, 2011 21:29:06 GMT
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Post by clocketpatch on Sept 5, 2011 0:38:35 GMT
*runs into a corner and flails like a mad thing*
*this is followed by a squee fit that will remain unmatched until the day Eleven and Rory have a swordfight*
That was amazing. The stage directions at the end just about killed me. And, you know what? I like the Seven version better.
It's a great speech, but something about Matt's performance of it in the actual episode gives me an instinctive do_not_want shudder - I think it taps too closely to how the pastors spoke at church when I was growing up or something.
Seven's performance made me laugh at how overly dramatic and purposely silly it was. Then he went all quiet and terrifying.
Shivers I have, SHIVERS!
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Post by aquabluejay on Sept 6, 2011 1:53:57 GMT
I agree about the sevens ending there, but I still think I liked eleven's version all over. You can kind of tell the speech was written for his doctor, I think, it's just sort of his word choice. I can see him saying it the best... then again, he did, so that's perhaps not totally uninfluenced.
I'd love to see nine give that speech. ^^
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Post by kirkg on Sept 6, 2011 2:26:25 GMT
Frankly, I kind of like the one where he says, "On my signal, jump...you can't miss it.... If you ever want to survive, there is one thing you never EVER put into a trap... Me. BANG!" (from the cliffhanger in A Time of Angels, I believe...
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