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Post by Maggadin on Oct 7, 2010 22:47:21 GMT
I hope it's not Romana, to be honest, because I'd want her to be more important than just someone who appears for an episode and is then forgotten by the Doctor and he should still be in love with her. ;D
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Post by merrythemad on Oct 8, 2010 13:02:09 GMT
** I hope it isn't Romana as well, but mostly because we'd NEVER stop hearing about how wrong it was if it were Romana from the shippers. As for her appearing for an episode and him forgetting about her, well I don't think ANYONE would allow that to happen considering as they were so important to one another.
However I ALSO think (considering it's been over five hundred years and she is presumed dead) that Romana would be upset with the Doctor (as would the rest of the audience) if he had indeed sat pining away for his lost love for all that time. Instead he moved on because it was what she would have wanted even if he was in love with her (especially if he was in love with her) because frankly only a psychopath wants someone to wait for over five hundred years while they are presumed dead. And both of them are old enough to know you can love more than one person in a lifetime as small as a human lifetime, let alone one as large as a timelord's. Perhaps even Tegan, Peri, Rose, and River could have been loved without his in any way dishonouring the emotions between himself and Romana**
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Post by Maggadin on Oct 8, 2010 18:05:15 GMT
I didn't say he could never love anyone else (besides, what shippers? There aren't that many) while still loving her or that he should spend all his time pining. Just that I wouldn't like it much if she appeared for an episode, only to never be mentioned again. Besides, I don't think they'd actually bring her back, because they seem to like the whole Last of the Time Lords thing.
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Post by merrythemad on Oct 8, 2010 18:11:35 GMT
**Oh, Mags! I specified shippers on purpose, if I had meant you I would have said so! And there are loads of shippers, everywhere. But you did kinda say he could never love anyone else AND that he was meant to be pining with the whole strike through comment. Maybe it's not what you intended, it's just how it came across.**
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Post by reversethepolarity on Oct 8, 2010 19:04:38 GMT
I hope it's not Romana, to be honest, because I'd want her to be more important than just someone who appears for an episode and is then forgotten by the Doctor and he should still be in love with her. ;D Indeed! The Doctor has eyes only for Romana! = ) Well, no, not really, but his heart will always belong to her. At least one of them. Yeah, that's it.And both of them are old enough to know you can love more than one person in a lifetime as small as a human lifetime, let alone one as large as a timelord's. Perhaps even Tegan, Peri, Rose, and River could have been loved without his in any way dishonouring the emotions between himself and Romana. Indeed. I may support Four/Romana above all others, but if we're accepting ships as canon for a moment (which my heart does, but my brain does not), then I'd certainly include Tegan and Peri (Oh, especially Peri). 'Course, I also include Jo and Charley. But then again, as I've said before, I ship just about everyone in Doctor Who. = )
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Post by Maggadin on Oct 8, 2010 20:26:09 GMT
Oh, you mean shippers in general and not just Doctor/Romana shippers? Yes, then I'd agree that they're everywhere. Anyway, I didn't mean that he should be constantly pining at all (that's annoying in any pairing). All I'm saying is that I hope he at least misses her (along with everyone else he's lost) and that his reaction would be a bit more than ''Oh, you're alive? Cool, see you later'' or that she'd die and he'd be sad for five seconds and then act as if it never happened. As for the still-in-love bit, that's entirely my own preference/fanon and it doesn't exclude or diminish any other loves (they're Time Lords, they'd have plenty of time to love other people and still love each other). Either way, they're not even ''proper'' canon, as such and thus could never be a ''threat'', and it's not like I truly believe it'll happen; it was just a sort of flippant comment, which my comments usually are
Er, I shouldn't read spoilers anyway, they always me make me nervous, rather than excited.
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Post by jjpor on Oct 10, 2010 19:00:44 GMT
* Yeah, I've come across the same rumour Merry mentions above (and I think it got mentioned at DW Live last night too), namely that one of the S6 stories is going to be a Human Nature/Family of Blood-style adaptation of the Terrance Dicks New Adventures novel "Blood Harvest". Now, it's a long time since I read it, and it's not one I actually own to go looking up details, but iirc basically it's a sequel to the Four story "State of Decay" and involved Seven and co helping Romana back from E-Space (which had been overrun with vampires) to our universe, which ultimately resulted in her returning to Gallifrey and becoming President. And yes, it also featured Seven running a speakeasy in Prohibition-era Chicago for some reason I can't quite recall... Don't remember if there was any plot point relating to The War Games in the novel, but Uncle Terry's original novels for the NAs and EDAs were invariably sprinkled with continuity references to the classic Who stories he wrote (there was a direct sequel to The War Games featuring a Nazis-win-WW2 AU and Seven pretending to be pals with Hitler... Yes, really! )
So, unless they change it to some generic surviving-Time-Lady-who-once-knew-the-Doctor (the way he seemed to acquire lifelong friends nobody had ever heard of before in some of the 70s and 80s stories), this could very well mean we're finally going to get Romana in NuWho...
I'm scared...
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Post by Maggadin on Oct 10, 2010 20:20:30 GMT
I'm TERRIFIED
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Post by jjpor on Oct 10, 2010 21:48:05 GMT
Here's a very vague, not to mention potentially spoilery (but only if it's true!), link discussing the rumour from above - wish I could find what the original source was though... doctorwhotv.co.uk/vampires-of-usa-10142.htm
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Post by merrythemad on Oct 10, 2010 22:35:09 GMT
I have the source hang on let me scroll through my tweets and find them this site has most of everything aside from the original paper that started the ball rolling I am looking for the site that has that original paper as I KNOW I have it somewhere. doctorwhospoilers.ueuo.com/wp/?p=1297 however that site is great and updated by the minute when news is breaking so I HIGHLY recommend it (and warn you caveat emptor!) www.drwho-online.co.uk/news/Default.aspx#newseries-doctor-who-to-film-in-utah info specific to the press release and here you can see the print of the paper that got the ball rolling, looking thru tweets was maddening, I checked a different site and found it lickety split doctorwhospoilers.ueuo.com/wp/?p=1262and ooooh ohhh ohohohohohoh! I've just had a thought (that will probably turn out to be wrong but oh my!) this thought will make Maggie explode (mind I won't be any more pleased) CRACKPOT THEORY FOLLOWS: ** I KNOW this has been discussed and dismissed many times BUT the first episode of the new series involves a storyline that has the Doctor helping Romana out of E-Space, this episode has Alex Kingston...Add to this the fact that Moffat has said he willb e dealing with River's identity as soon as possible this series and that it has to have an emotional pay-off, you can't make her an android programmed to believe she is his wife as people will feel cheated (his words not mine) what if even though we've discussed and dismissed a thousand times what IF River IS Romana?**
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Post by jjpor on Oct 11, 2010 18:11:33 GMT
It's not as if I haven't entertained the notion... I think I could live with it, if it was done right.
Maggadin, are we still on speaking terms after I've gone and said that?? ;D
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Post by clocketpatch on Oct 11, 2010 22:16:01 GMT
These spoilers: And that is all.
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Post by merrythemad on Oct 13, 2010 13:34:35 GMT
soooooo....I am seriously considering abandoning G1 for Utah in Nov...input?
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Post by Maggadin on Oct 15, 2010 16:16:37 GMT
It's not as if I haven't entertained the notion... I think I could live with it, if it was done right. Maggadin, are we still on speaking terms after I've gone and said that?? ;D What! No! I'm putting you on ice! ;D Seriously, though (spoilers): I could live with it depending on how it was done. Why would she introduce herself to the Doctor as ''Professor River Song'' in SitL if she were really Romana (before she had even figured out that he didn't recognise her)? Or does he figure it out and then doesn't tell her for some reason? Either way, I find it extremely unlikely that she is anyone else than River Song. I haven't noticed a tendency in Moffat's writing for characters to be different people than they claim to be, but maybe that's part of the surprise, who knows.
I actually find the robot theory more likely, and that's saying something.
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Post by jjpor on Oct 15, 2010 21:43:05 GMT
Well, that's another ex-nearly-wife, I guess... ;D
*I see your argument, and I was going to propose all sorts of "scientific" explanations like fobwatching and that old standby common or garden amnesia, but then that wouldn't explain why River herself appears to be actively keeping something from Eleven concerning her true nature... I can only say it had better be some amazing and compelling plot reason if they do go down that route... ;D*
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Post by Maggadin on Oct 15, 2010 21:53:58 GMT
Also, it's not like I haven't heard that theory multiple times before, so no, it doesn't make me ''explode.''
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Post by merrythemad on Oct 21, 2010 12:54:07 GMT
there are more spoilers and such (including a bit of dialogue and Neil discussing his episode) on the Doctor Who spoilers site I linked you to earlier. doctorwhospoilers.ueuo.com/wp/?p=1597the above is mostly about Neil but if you just look at the menu on the side you can see the tidbits from the first episode of next season (which I am rather interested in myself as many of you know)
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Post by clocketpatch on Oct 21, 2010 20:24:01 GMT
I'm kind of hoping that person not seen since the War Games is Jamie... just because. Kilts pwn all.
Also ELEVEN + HAT = YES YES YES YES*
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Post by jjpor on Oct 21, 2010 21:16:04 GMT
*Eleven NEEDS a hat... Preferably a fez, but I'd settle for a topper or some sort of nice trilby like Three briefly had in Spearhead from Space... ;D
So, our options are basically Jamie, Zoe, the War Chief(??!!), or maybe Philip Madoc in a dodgy uniform... Or that German bloke with the scar and the monocle and the occasional bad Southern US accent... Or David Troughton (although we have seen him since the War Games ;D). Er... Well, out of all of the War Games characters I'd probably take that Mexican revolutionary bloke with the equally outrageous accent but I bet it isn't going to be him. ;D*
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Post by reversethepolarity on Oct 22, 2010 1:41:09 GMT
I'm kind of hoping that person not seen since the War Games is Jamie... just because. Kilts pwn all.
Also ELEVEN + HAT = YES YES YES YES* That would make my day. Where did you here a rumor about Jamie? I haven't heard that one. I'd buy it though. When I was at DragonCon, I talked with Frazer and when I asked him if he'd be willing to do the new series, he said 'Oh, absolutely. They've been needing a non-British companion.' With all seriousness, too. I don't think they'd ever make Jamie a full-on companion again, but they should and it's great to know that Frazer would be will and would love to. = ) That answer just made my day.
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