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Post by timeywimeyding on Sept 20, 2009 10:40:51 GMT
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Post by librarylover on Sept 20, 2009 10:48:25 GMT
This fandom is so weird, and wonderful!
I especially like his rendition of "I'm Too Sexy."
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Post by merrythemad on Sept 21, 2009 13:29:03 GMT
we are such an odd lot, how I adore Dalek Fred!
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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 23, 2009 19:50:34 GMT
*looks fearfully at her fellow DbyA members* Adore? Beloved? Valient? By Rassilon, have you all been brainwashed by the Daleks? Am I surrounded by Dalek drones? ??
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Post by teeceeoh on Sept 23, 2009 20:10:29 GMT
*Runs for the hills*
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Post by librarylover on Sept 24, 2009 2:22:58 GMT
*looks fearfully at her fellow DbyA members* Adore? Beloved? Valient? By Rassilon, have you all been brainwashed by the Daleks? Am I surrounded by Dalek drones? ?? Despite the fact that I currently have to endure being tagged as a Dalek by this site, I would not consider myself a Dalek drone! Although I personally abhor Dalek behavior in general, and Dalek Fred's specific act of shooting our beloved Doctor in particular, I believe in giving credit where credit is due. Shooting the Doctor is an accomplishment that no other Dalek has managed to achieve, despite the fact that they have spent an inordinate amount of time and effort trying. So, from that perspective alone, he deserves to be remembered.
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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 24, 2009 14:38:15 GMT
*looks fearfully at her fellow DbyA members* Adore? Beloved? Valient? By Rassilon, have you all been brainwashed by the Daleks? Am I surrounded by Dalek drones? ?? Despite the fact that I currently have to endure being tagged as a Dalek by this site, I would not consider myself a Dalek drone! Although I personally abhor Dalek behavior in general, and Dalek Fred's specific act of shooting our beloved Doctor in particular, I believe in giving credit where credit is due. Shooting the Doctor is an accomplishment that no other Dalek has managed to achieve, despite the fact that they have spent an inordinate amount of time and effort trying. So, from that perspective alone, he deserves to be remembered. I suppose you have a point, LL. He's lived the dream so many before him imagine, but never accomplish... well, I think actually in the very first Dalek episode one Dalek did physically hit One, so Fred might actually be the second Dalek to hurt the Doctor in a physical way... I"m sure the Doctor would agrue they've mentally and emotionally harmed him billions of time over each time their paths crossed. *pats the Doctor on the head lovingly* Poor, poor Doctor. You shouldn't take the Dalek insults always so personal.
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Post by jjpor on Sept 25, 2009 20:38:07 GMT
I"m sure the Doctor would agrue they've mentally and emotionally harmed him billions of time over each time their paths crossed. Ten probably would, the crybaby! Seven just blew up their planet by way of a witty comeback... I kid people; I kid, okay! Look; this is my kidding face:
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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 25, 2009 22:00:53 GMT
[quote author=jjpor board=villainsclassic thread=1120 post=15828 time=1253911087 Ten probably would, the crybaby! Seven just blew up their planet by way of a witty comeback... I kid people; I kid, okay! Look; this is my kidding face: [/quote] I'll only accept your kid, if you admit he's not the only incarnation that would be come overly emotional due to the Daleks.
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Post by primsong on Sept 27, 2009 4:31:07 GMT
I love this fandom. Really.
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Post by jjpor on Sept 27, 2009 18:42:01 GMT
I love this fandom. Really. Me too! I'll only accept your kid, if you admit he's not the only incarnation that would be come overly emotional due to the Daleks. Oh, absolutely - I mean, look at Nine, for instance, and Fivey was positively anguished in Resurrection. And there are other examples, maybe different, gentler emotions for different Doctors, but still. I think maybe the worst thing about Seven when he did what he did in Remembrance was that he wasn't that emotional - he was detached and clinical and had that quietly satisfied "thus I win" attitude when it came to the crunch. Which is a little bit scary, actually.
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Post by Maggadin on Sept 27, 2009 21:40:57 GMT
JJ, he was hiding some deep, deep emoshun, if you know what I mean. I applaud Dalek Fred for shooting down (aren't I witty) a ridiculous scene.
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Post by clocketpatch on Sept 27, 2009 21:41:50 GMT
I think maybe the worst thing about Seven when he did what he did in Remembrance was that he wasn't that emotional - he was detached and clinical and had that quietly satisfied "thus I win" attitude when it came to the crunch. Which is a little bit scary, actually. Which is why he will always be the scariest Doctor.
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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 27, 2009 23:37:49 GMT
I think maybe the worst thing about Seven when he did what he did in Remembrance was that he wasn't that emotional - he was detached and clinical and had that quietly satisfied "thus I win" attitude when it came to the crunch. Which is a little bit scary, actually. Which is why he will always be the scariest Doctor. Oh, very, very true, CP and JJ. Seven is definitely the scariest of the Doctors. I think he'd found his breaking point and thought "F@!*& it! I'm going to rip out the heart of each and every Dalek." And then... what happened to poor Eight really mentally deteriated that type of Doctor (for better or worse).
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Post by jjpor on Sept 28, 2009 20:40:44 GMT
And why was Seven the way he was? Well, I think that's a matter for speculation (and fanfic!), but I think what he did was in some ways a settling of accounts, that he felt responsible somehow for the Daleks and their depredations after failing to take them out in Genesis (and for failing to do away with Davros in Resurrection). Of course, those "failures" were nothing of the kind; they were examples of him exercising his Doctorly compassion, however difficult it might be, without resorting to easy violence.
Maybe at some point, maybe under Ace's influence in some alternate timeline where the NAs didn't become as grim and gritty as they did, he ended up "making amends" in some way for what he did to Skaro.
If what he did to Skaro had something to do with how the Time War began, then maybe he still is.
Hmmm...
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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 28, 2009 22:01:25 GMT
... he ended up "making amends" in some way for what he did to Skaro. If what he did to Skaro had something to do with how the Time War began, then maybe he still is. Hmmm... Actually, that's one continuity issue that really does bug me. The fact that Seven destroyed Skaro in that Dalek episode, and yet, in the Eighth Doctor movie... Skaro still exits. WTF! I can't get that continuity to work out in my head properly, unless Seven was wrong and he didn't destroy Skaro as Davros and the Emperor Dalek thought.
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Post by clocketpatch on Sept 29, 2009 2:15:43 GMT
... he ended up "making amends" in some way for what he did to Skaro. If what he did to Skaro had something to do with how the Time War began, then maybe he still is. Hmmm... Actually, that's one continuity issue that really does bug me. The fact that Seven destroyed Skaro in that Dalek episode, and yet, in the Eighth Doctor movie... Skaro still exits. WTF! I can't get that continuity to work out in my head properly, unless Seven was wrong and he didn't destroy Skaro as Davros and the Emperor Dalek thought. Wibbly-Wobbly, AR, Timey-Wimey. 'nuff said
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Post by primsong on Sept 29, 2009 19:10:56 GMT
Actually, that's one continuity issue that really does bug me. The fact that Seven destroyed Skaro in that Dalek episode, and yet, in the Eighth Doctor movie... Skaro still exits. WTF! I can't get that continuity to work out in my head properly, unless Seven was wrong and he didn't destroy Skaro as Davros and the Emperor Dalek thought. Well, really - think about it....The Master spits like a llama, for pity's sake! The whole things was probably just a post-regenerative hallucination. Didn't happen. Which explains a lot of things, actually.
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Post by Abbyromana on Sept 29, 2009 21:15:18 GMT
Well, really - think about it....The Master spits like a llama, for pity's sake! The whole things was probably just a post-regenerative hallucination. Didn't happen. Which explains a lot of things, actually. LOL XD Oh, primsong. You and your theory's surround stuff being just dreams or hullcinations. The thing you'll tell me is that Journey's End is nothing but a very bad dream.
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Post by jjpor on Sept 29, 2009 22:20:08 GMT
Oh, primsong. You and your theory's surround stuff being just dreams or hullcinations. The thing you'll tell me is that Journey's End is nothing but a very bad dream. Oh, I wish! ;D Yeah, you raise a very good point there, Abby, and I think it's down to the fact that the people who made the TVM had very little knowledge of/respect for the original series (I'm convinced they only gave the Master yellow eyes because they'd only seen Survival and thought that was what he always had...). And plus, if it had been picked up for a full series, it was going to be a complete reboot ignoring/rewriting the oldschool continuity. I mean, they were planning on remaking classic stories... I guess there are handwavy, fanficcy sort of esplanations you could come up with, but none of them are really convincing (including the one I dreamed up for my Time War fic, that it was actually "New Skaro", but that's a cheat, because there's no indication of that in the TVM). Clocket may have hit the nail on the head there - The Time War Did It. It's like A Wizard Did It, but marginally less magicky. ;D Unless Daleks are just really unimaginative and name every planet they conquer Skaro? You know, like Alexandra the Great used to go around founding dozens of cities called Alexandria (of which the one in Egypt is the only one to still exist/still be called that)... Nah, that's just daft... EDIT: I've just amused myself with that typo above. Alexandra the Great? Who's she when she's at home?
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